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Re: The inerrant Koran???
Reply #30 - May 24th, 2013 at 7:58am
 
moses wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 3:17pm:
Thanks for input Brian, good to see a bit of *balance*.


Yes it is.  So, Moses why do you ignore the problems and contradictions in your own holy book in favour of attacking Islam's?

Oh, that's right, your book is divinely inspired, in your view, their book is malevolently inspired.    Roll Eyes

Perhaps it's a case of pot, kettle, black, yet again, Moses?

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Reply #31 - May 24th, 2013 at 11:02am
 
Brian Ross wrote: Quote:
Yes it is.  So, Moses why do you ignore the problems and contradictions in your own holy book in favour of attacking Islam's?


O.K Brian let's do it one more time:

islam is a clear and present danger to all mankind

The reason I make that statement is:

The fundamental islamic belief that muhammad was the last and final prophet and messenger of allah, after whom there can be no prophet or messenger.

A distinguished apostle in every aspect was none other than saidina muhammad .He was sent to be sent to the world as the last prophet, the final one, after whom no other messenger was to be sent again by allah. This is the reason why he was granted a shari'ah or the law that was perfect and final requiring no revision in the days to come.

For the teaching of the last prophet were to be everbinding, to remain unchanged to the end of time, he was sent as a acme of perfection with over-flowing guidance and resplendent light. There can be no revision of the qur'an.
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Now as I wrote a couple of posts back:

We all known the dangers posed by this flawed book, it urges it's followers to slaughter innocent men, women and children. (something they do on a daily basis around the globe)

We also know muslims work themselves into a euphoric stupor, then will kill people in the most horrific manner possible, over the qur'an.

So You see Brian muslims believe the qur'an is perfect and cannot be changed or revised

This means that the myriad of commands, instructions to commit human rights atrocities against their fellow man, are accepted as perfect and the final teachings of islam.

It is our duty to ridicule and belittle this cult of killers at every opportunity.
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Reply #32 - May 24th, 2013 at 1:19pm
 
moses wrote on May 24th, 2013 at 11:02am:
Brian Ross wrote: Quote:
Yes it is.  So, Moses why do you ignore the problems and contradictions in your own holy book in favour of attacking Islam's?


O.K Brian let's do it one more time:

islam is a clear and present danger to all mankind

The reason I make that statement is:

The fundamental islamic belief that muhammad was the last and final prophet and messenger of allah, after whom there can be no prophet or messenger.

A distinguished apostle in every aspect was none other than saidina muhammad .He was sent to be sent to the world as the last prophet, the final one, after whom no other messenger was to be sent again by allah. This is the reason why he was granted a shari'ah or the law that was perfect and final requiring no revision in the days to come.

For the teaching of the last prophet were to be everbinding, to remain unchanged to the end of time, he was sent as a acme of perfection with over-flowing guidance and resplendent light. There can be no revision of the qur'an.
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Now as I wrote a couple of posts back:

We all known the dangers posed by this flawed book, it urges it's followers to slaughter innocent men, women and children. (something they do on a daily basis around the globe)

We also know muslims work themselves into a euphoric stupor, then will kill people in the most horrific manner possible, over the qur'an.

So You see Brian muslims believe the qur'an is perfect and cannot be changed or revised

This means that the myriad of commands, instructions to commit human rights atrocities against their fellow man, are accepted as perfect and the final teachings of islam.

It is our duty to ridicule and belittle this cult of killers at every opportunity.



Your conclusions are based on erroneous premises.  Your premises are based upon prejudice, not fact.  Please go back and prove your premises before attempting to show your conclusions.

You won't because it would expose your prejudices for what they are - the result of ignorance and hatred!   Grin Grin
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #33 - May 24th, 2013 at 6:01pm
 
Now to get back on topic:

Does allah love mankind, the children of Adam?

17:70 Verily we have honoured the Children of Adam. We carry them on the land and

the sea, and have made provision of good things for them, and have preferred

them above many of those whom We created with a marked preferment
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Says that allah prefers the children of Adam over many of his creatures,


98:6: Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the

Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the

worst of creatures
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Suddenly the non-muslims are the worst of creatures.

muslims kill on a daily basis around the globe as they dementedly shout the islamic death chant of *allahua akbar*. Because this flawed book tells them to.
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Reply #34 - May 24th, 2013 at 8:37pm
 
Is this Yadda's apprentice?

You'll need to work on the spacing and excessive large fonts and bolding. Don't forget the beheading placards too.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #35 - May 24th, 2013 at 11:26pm
 
moses,

I don't know if you are familiar with the Prophet of Doom website.

A lot of information there.

http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Murder.Islam







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ALSO;

Here is a list [listed by subject], of many YTube audio files explaining the worship of Allah, by moslems.
[i highly recommend ALL of these audio files, to anyone who can spare the time to listen to them]

This brave Arabic speaking Iraqi clearly has a good knowledge of ISLAMIC doctrine, and in these talks he explains, and exposes the intent and 'logical' basis, of ISLAMIC doctrines, to the naive and uninformed Kuffar.

http://www.al-rassooli.com/ahmadsquran3/



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #36 - May 25th, 2013 at 9:40am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 24th, 2013 at 8:37pm:
Is this Yadda's apprentice?

You'll need to work on the spacing and excessive large fonts and bolding. Don't forget the beheading placards too.


They will come, they will come.

Moses is the best example I've ever discovered of a Takfiri Christian.  No other opinion about Christianity, no matter how based on fact it is, is acceptable.   He is an exact mirror image of the Takfir Islamists that he criticises.   I expect any day to read of him beheading or hacking to death some poor innocent Muslim in the street.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #37 - May 25th, 2013 at 10:07am
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 9:40am:
I expect any day to read of him beheading or hacking to death some poor innocent Muslim in the street.   Roll Eyes



Why would a Christian or anyone non-Muslim do something that is so singularly Islamic?

Anyway, how has Islam improved Western societies in the last 100 years? What is the positive that Islam brings to the West?

I can't think of anything. Can you?


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Reply #38 - May 25th, 2013 at 1:02pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 9:40am:

...I expect any day to read of him beheading or hacking to death some poor innocent Muslim in the street.







A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, which teaches moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to lie to, to plunder and to rob, to rape, to enslave, and to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.


"....some poor innocent Muslim"



Every 'innocent' moslem is a person who chooses to follow such an evil supremacist philosophy, a philosophy which promotes [such 'social interaction', as] intimidation, vicious violence, rape, murder, banditry and brigandry as being 'righteous' and 'lawful' [so long as those 'affections' are inflicted upon those outside of their own social 'camp'].

This 'righteous' intimidation and violence, this religious bigotry, is encouraged and is made 'lawful' by the philosophy of ISLAM, so as to promote ISLAM and the moslem worldview, and moslem supremacist fantasies.

And every moslem, by self declaring as a moslem, has fully chosen to embrace this wickedness.



"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends.....offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."
Ishaq:231




Therefore, "innocent moslem", is a lie, it is a typically duplicitous moslem phrase, and it is an oxymoron.





"His mischief shall return upon his own head,..."




The wicked...

Psalms 7:14
Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.
15  He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.
16  His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.
17  I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #39 - May 25th, 2013 at 1:50pm
 
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 10:07am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 9:40am:
I expect any day to read of him beheading or hacking to death some poor innocent Muslim in the street.   Roll Eyes



Why would a Christian or anyone non-Muslim do something that is so singularly Islamic?


Ask Joseph Koney and his followers, Soren.  They do it regularly in the name of their Christian God.   Roll Eyes

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Anyway, how has Islam improved Western societies in the last 100 years? What is the positive that Islam brings to the West?

I can't think of anything. Can you?


It provides an alternative viewpoint on all issues, Soren.

That you seem to see no value in that merely shows how bigoted you actually are.

Tell me, what viewpoint does Christianity provide?  Buddhism?  Hinduism?   All different, all valuable.  From them all, including Islam a synthesis is created. Only a chauvinist would attempt to declare that the views of billions of human beings was of no value.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #40 - May 25th, 2013 at 2:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 1:50pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 10:07am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 9:40am:
I expect any day to read of him beheading or hacking to death some poor innocent Muslim in the street.   Roll Eyes



Why would a Christian or anyone non-Muslim do something that is so singularly Islamic?


Ask Joseph Koney and his followers, Soren.  They do it regularly in the name of their Christian God.   Roll Eyes

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Anyway, how has Islam improved Western societies in the last 100 years? What is the positive that Islam brings to the West?

I can't think of anything. Can you?


It provides an alternative viewpoint on all issues, Soren.

That you seem to see no value in that merely shows how bigoted you actually are.

Tell me, what viewpoint does Christianity provide?  Buddhism?  Hinduism?   All different, all valuable.  From them all, including Islam a synthesis is created. Only a chauvinist would attempt to declare that the views of billions of human beings was of no value.   Roll Eyes




Cheeses !! DO we now have to validate and accept and nurture every fvckn point of view? Including the Islamic one which eradicates every other point  of view when it's got the numbers?

ANd don't tell me that in a liberal democracy you've had a limited variety of points of view until Islam was imported? Or that you have to actually have large number of anti-freedom Muslims in your midst to know what point of view they represent.



And what is positive about Islam, how is it an improvement on liberal democracy and freedom.

Christianity, among other things, has given you freedom, human rights and liberal democracy. These thing did not develop anywhere except in the Christian West - not under islam or Hinduism or the dreamtime or among native Americans or anywhere in Africa or Asia. Only in the West and only because the fundamental Christian tenet of equality before god. It all comes from that. And no other religion has it, Only Christianity - that's why these good things originate in the West.
The church fought against them but was ultimately lost the battle to its own fundamental doctrine -equality before god.

ANd hey, you do not even have to be a Christian to enjoy its fruits and inheritance.

WHat are Islam's fruits?i
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Reply #41 - May 25th, 2013 at 2:43pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 1:50pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 10:07am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 9:40am:
I expect any day to read of him beheading or hacking to death some poor innocent Muslim in the street.   Roll Eyes



Why would a Christian or anyone non-Muslim do something that is so singularly Islamic?


Ask Joseph Koney and his followers, Soren.  They do it regularly in the name of their Christian God.   Roll Eyes

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Anyway, how has Islam improved Western societies in the last 100 years? What is the positive that Islam brings to the West?

I can't think of anything. Can you?




[ISLAM] provides an alternative viewpoint on all issues, Soren.







The 'alternative viewpoint' which ISLAM projects onto the world is this;

'It is lawful to either enslave or to murder all persons on this earth, who do not believe as we believe.'





Proof of ISLAMIC religious bigotry which is being projected into the world by every person who declares;

"I am a moslem!

Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his prophet.".....









FROM ISLAM'S PRIMARY THEOLOGICAL TEXT ---->


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


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Reply #42 - May 25th, 2013 at 2:53pm
 
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WHat are Islam's fruits?



ISLAM, produces dead bodies.

And that is its sole purpose.



To kill as many human beings [on behalf of SATAN], as it can, before those persons can choose to search for God, and his righteousness.

A spiritual war is being waged, here on earth.

Many are lost.
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Reply #43 - May 25th, 2013 at 3:17pm
 
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 2:36pm:
Cheeses !! DO we now have to validate and accept and nurture every fvckn point of view? Including the Islamic one which eradicates every other point  of view when it's got the numbers?


As would Christianity if it was allowed to, as would any other religion, if was allowed to.  Not that long ago, in our non-liberal democracy, Aborigines were being actively genocided, Soren.  Any dominant social or religious or "race" will seek to ensure it's domination is complete.  Our liberal democracy by ensuring that (nearly) all viewpoints are tolerated and even protected, prevents that domination.

You, on the otherhand seem to want to prevent Muslims even from expressing their viewpoint for some reason.  That you don't apply the same attitudes to others merely reinforces the point that your views are bigoted.   Roll Eyes

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ANd don't tell me that in a liberal democracy you've had a limited variety of points of view until Islam was imported?


We have had Islam in Australia since the arrival of the first fleet (and perhaps even before through Maccassian traders), Soren.   Until the advent of mass migration post-war and Multiculturalism, indeed we had a very limited variety of points of view in our society.  How old are you?  20 years?  30 years?  From my perspective of 50+ years I can remember how sterile and bland Australian society and life was before the advent of Multiculturalism.  You'd prefer to return us to that period it would seem.

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Or that you have to actually have large number of anti-freedom Muslims in your midst to know what point of view they represent.


You have yet to prove we have a "large number of anti-freedom Muslims in your midst," Soren.  That is just your prejudices talking.    Roll Eyes

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And what is positive about Islam, how is it an improvement on liberal democracy and freedom.


It provides inputs critical of them from some Muslims and reinforces them from others.   Criticism is never a bad thing, if based upon valid premises and if accepted and answered, Soren.

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Christianity, among other things, has given you freedom, human rights and liberal democracy. These thing did not develop anywhere except in the Christian West - not under islam or Hinduism or the dreamtime or among native Americans or anywhere in Africa or Asia. Only in the West and only because the fundamental Christian tenet of equality before god. It all comes from that. And no other religion has it, Only Christianity - that's why these good things originate in the West.

The church fought against them but was ultimately lost the battle to its own fundamental doctrine -equality before god.


Which is the fundamental doctrine of Islam as well, Soren.   Roll Eyes

As you, yourself point out, the Church saw the rise of secularism and humanism, which are the fundamental basis of modern human and democratic rights as anti-theoretical.  They occurred DESPITE the Christian Churches, not because of them.   

Matthew 7:16  Roll Eyes

Your have betrayed yet again your ignorance, your prejudice and of course your bigotry and all in a few sentences.  Well done!   Grin

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And hey, you do not even have to be a Christian to enjoy its fruits and inheritance.


Where have I said that, Soren?  Erecting strawmen again?   Roll Eyes

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WHat are Islam's fruits?


How Islam invented a bright new world

Will you read it though, with an open mind?   Roll Eyes






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Reply #44 - May 25th, 2013 at 3:22pm
 
Yadda wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 2:53pm:
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WHat are Islam's fruits?


ISLAM, produces dead bodies.

And that is its sole purpose.


Yet Christians industrialised death, not Muslims, Yadda.   Roll Eyes

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A spiritual war is being waged, here on earth.


Only in the imaginations of those that ascribe to their religion to the point where it drives their every waking though, as it does yours, Yadda.

It is increasingly obvious you and Moses were minted together....    Roll Eyes
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