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Reply #60 - May 26^th, 2013 at 5:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Yadda wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 2:30am:

Brian_Ross,

You refer to some moslems as the innocent moslems ?

I take it, Yadda after I sifted through your crayon scribbles that you believe there are no innocent Muslims? Roll Eyes

And you wonder why I believe your arguments are bigoted? Shocked

Brian_Ross,

No.

There are no innocent moslems

- among those who have come to the age of consent, and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

Who is a moslem ?

"Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his prophet."

Every moslem knows

who Mohammed is, and any moslem can read in ISLAMIC texts what sort of man Mohammed was, and what Mohammed encouraged....

....Which was the murder of those persons who rejected ISLAM.

What Would Muhammad Do?
(a checklist of Muhammad's criminal acts)

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/WWMD.htmiAre some moslems, innocent moslems ?

No.

Why so ?

Because every moslem in declaring

"I am a moslem!

Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his prophet."

...chooses to belong to criminal gang, called 'ISLAM'.

CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0
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Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['unbelievers'].

.....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

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Brian_Ross accuses me of being a 'bigot'.

Am i a bigot, because i tell the truth, about what ISLAM is ???

No.

Am i a bigot, because the truth about ISLAM is very UGLY and very disturbing ???

No.

The truth about ISLAM is very UGLY, and it is very disturbing.

Should i look away, should i turn away, because moslems don't want me to raise my voice about the crimes which they are justifying ?

People like myself, blame ISLAM, for the bad conduct of moslems.

And, i condemn moslems who choose to associate themselves with an evil philosophy like ISLAM.

Why so ?

Because a moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.

And all moslems need to be censured, imo.

Dictionary;
censure = = express severe disapproval of; formally reprove.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #61 - May 26^th, 2013 at 6:13pm

Yadda wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Yadda wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 2:30am:

Brian_Ross,

You refer to some moslems as the innocent moslems ?

I take it, Yadda after I sifted through your crayon scribbles that you believe there are no innocent Muslims? Roll Eyes

And you wonder why I believe your arguments are bigoted? Shocked

Brian_Ross,

No.

There are no innocent moslems - among those who have come to the age of consent, and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

And you complain when I suggest that you are posting bigotry, Yadda? Thanks for proving my point again for me. Roll Eyes

Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #62 - May 26^th, 2013 at 7:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 6:13pm:

Yadda wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Yadda wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 2:30am:

Brian_Ross,

You refer to some moslems as the innocent moslems ?

I take it, Yadda after I sifted through your crayon scribbles that you believe there are no innocent Muslims? Roll Eyes

And you wonder why I believe your arguments are bigoted? Shocked

Brian_Ross,

No.

There are no innocent moslems - among those who have come to the age of consent, and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

And you complain when I suggest that you are posting bigotry, Yadda?

Thanks for proving my point again for me.

LOL

In your dreams.

Brian_Ross,

My own ability, to recognise the criminal nature and character of the 'religious' doctrines of ISLAM, and my willingness to openly declare that criminal nature and character, does not make me a bigot.

And your own decision to disparage and denigrate me [and others] with such a description [falsely claiming that i am a bigot, because i say something which is disturbing, but truthful], is a reflection on your own moral and intellectual shortcomings, imo.

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Brian_Ross accuses me of being a 'bigot'.

Am i a bigot, because i tell the truth, about what ISLAM is ???

No.

Am i a bigot, because the truth about ISLAM is very UGLY and very disturbing ???

No.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #63 - May 26^th, 2013 at 8:26pm

Yadda wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 7:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 6:13pm:

Yadda wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Yadda wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 2:30am:

Brian_Ross,

You refer to some moslems as the innocent moslems ?

I take it, Yadda after I sifted through your crayon scribbles that you believe there are no innocent Muslims? Roll Eyes

And you wonder why I believe your arguments are bigoted? Shocked

Brian_Ross,

No.

There are no innocent moslems - among those who have come to the age of consent, and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

And you complain when I suggest that you are posting bigotry, Yadda?

Thanks for proving my point again for me. Roll Eyes

LOL

In your dreams.

You know, you are a dream opponent, Yadda. You type your posts and prove my points for me, time after time. I don't have anything to do, you prove your a bigot with nearly every post! Grin

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Reply #64 - May 26^th, 2013 at 8:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 8:26pm:

You know, you are a dream opponent, Yadda. You type your posts and prove my points for me, time after time. I don't have anything to do, you prove your a bigot with nearly every post! Grin

Yes, Brian_Ross, in your reality, you win.

You are an intellectual, and a conquering hero for the adoring moslem masses. [...no idolatry allowed]

Dream about it.

Dictionary;

bigot = =
1 a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others.
2 a person who expresses an opinion/view which does not coincide with the opinion/views of Brian_Ross.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #65 - May 26^th, 2013 at 9:36pm

Yadda wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 8:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 8:26pm:

You know, you are a dream opponent, Yadda. You type your posts and prove my points for me, time after time. I don't have anything to do, you prove your a bigot with nearly every post! Grin

Yes, Brian_Ross, in your reality, you win.

Not my reality, Yadda. I don't claim to own all of creation. You may live inside your head (I suspect you do) but I live out in the real world, every day. Roll Eyes

Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #66 - May 27^th, 2013 at 9:22am

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 9:36pm:

Yadda wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 8:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 8:26pm:

You know, you are a dream opponent, Yadda. You type your posts and prove my points for me, time after time. I don't have anything to do, you prove your a bigot with nearly every post! Grin

Yes, Brian_Ross, in your reality, you win.

Not my reality, Yadda. I don't claim to own all of creation. You may live inside your head (I suspect you do)

but I live out in the real world, every day.

No you don't.

No one who refuses to confront reality truth, can imagine that they live in 'a real world', every day.

You [and many others] choose to NOT confront truth.

It is our choices that define our reality, brian,
.....not the 'world', that we imagine that we live in.

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 10:15pm:

You are not a serious person. Brian. You are as unhinged and as unbalanced and discombobulated as any two-bit fvkn jihadi ranter. You are just not to be taken seriously.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #67 - May 27^th, 2013 at 9:36am

Yadda wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:22am:

It is our choices that define our reality, brian,
.....not the 'world', that we imagine that we live in.

What we believe, determines how we [will] act.

Q.
What do moslems believe ?

A.
Moslems believe that it is 'lawful', to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.

That is what ISLAM teaches to them [moslems].

THIS IS A TRUTH, THIS IS A REALITY....
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A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: The inerrant Koran??? Reply #68 - May 27^th, 2013 at 11:21am The Koran is essentially a direct derivative of the Old Testament - just like the Torah is. I notice that there are posters in here that prefer to not acknowledge this fact - NOR cite the barbarism that underpins the Talmud. I wonder who reads an believes in the Talmud? Does anybody in here know?
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Reply #69 - May 27^th, 2013 at 12:42pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 11:21am:

The Koran is essentially a direct derivative of the Old Testament - just like the Torah is.

I notice that there are posters in here that prefer to not acknowledge this fact - NOR cite the barbarism that underpins the Talmud.

I wonder who reads an believes in the Talmud? Does anybody in here know?

Chimp,

I direct you to post #5, in this thread.

There, are posted comparison verses from both the Koran and the Torah - relating to how to treat 'unbelievers'/strangers.

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All a person need do to confirm this [in their heart], is to examine the scripture of firstly the original religion, and then examine the scripture of the new religion.

What happened Gandalf ?, did the God of the Torah have a personality transplant ?

The Talmud is from men, not from God.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #70 - Jun 10^th, 2013 at 10:28am

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Allah Deliberately Prevents Non-Muslims from Understanding

10.100 : No soul can believe,except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand.

32;13 If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, "I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together."

18.057 : And who doth more wrong than one who is reminded of the Signs of his Lord, but turns away from them, forgetting the (deeds) which his hands have sent forth? Verily We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this, and over their ears, deafness, if thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance.

17.046 : And We put coverings over their hearts (and minds) lest they should understand the Qur'an, and deafness into their ears: when thou dost commemorate thy Lord and Him alone in the Qur'an, they turn on their backs, fleeing (from the Truth).

45.023 : Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has, knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?

36.008 : We have put yokes round their necks right up to their chins, so that their heads are forced up (and they cannot see).

36.009 : And We have put a bar in front of them and a bar behind them, and further, We have covered them up; so that they cannot see.

36.010 : The same is it to them whether thou admonish them or thou do not admonish them: they will not believe.

All of the above verses teach that allah deliberately stops people from understanding. Why does he do this? satan is supposed to be the deceiver, so the qur'an is teaching that allah is actually satan

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Allah intentionally Causes Non-Muslims to Sin

4.143 : (They are) distracted in mind even in the midst of it,- being (sincerely) for neither one group nor for another whom Allah causes to go astray,- never wilt thou find for him the way.

6.039 : Those who reject our signs are deaf and dumb,- in the midst of darkness profound: whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander: whom He willeth, He placeth on the way that is straight

13.027 : The Unbelievers say: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?" Say: "Truly Allah leaveth, to stray, whom He will; But He guideth to Himself those who turn to Him in penitence,-

14.004 : We sent not a messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom.

16.093 : If Allah so willed, He could make you all one people: But He leaves straying whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases: but ye shall certainly be called to account for all your actions.

19.083 : Seest thou not that We have set the Evil Ones on against the unbelievers, to incite them with fury?

35.008 : Is he, then, to whom the evil of his conduct is made alluring, so that he looks upon it as good, (equal to one who is rightly guided)? For Allah leaves to stray whom He wills, and guides whom He wills. So let not thy soul go out in (vainly) sighing after them: for Allah knows well all that they do!

39.023: Allah has revealed (from time to time) the most beautiful Message in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of Allah's praises. Such is the guidance of Allah: He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to guide.

45.023 : Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has, knowing (him as such), led him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?

27.004 : As to those who believe not in the Hereafter, We have made their deeds pleasing in their eyes; and so they wander about in distraction.

Again allah purposely causes people to sin. Proof positive that allah is actually satan

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Allah and Satan both mislead people

6.043 : When the suffering reached them from us, why then did they not learn humility? On the contrary their hearts became hardened, and Satan made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them.

Who is doing whose work here? why are allah and satan both doing the same thing?

The rationale of islam is; allah and satan cause one set of people to be unbelievers, allah then bestows on his followers (muslims) the right to thieve, rape, torture, and mass murder these sinners. (in the right conditions)
Why ?

islam is truly an evil entity.

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Reply #71 - Jun 17^th, 2013 at 6:11pm

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anyone who kills a single person, it will be as if he killed the whole of mankind

muslims and their apologists often quote the above line.

However, how many different verses in the quran actually use these words, in a passive context?

qur'an 5.32 in part says: if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people

Now taking the line as being the whole, it would seem that qur'an 5;32 is indeed a verse of peace and spirituality.

However, what does 5:32 actually say?

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qur'an 5.32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

qur'an 5:32 is saying muslims told the Jews:(if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people)

5:32 then goes on to say that after the muslim messengers gave this sign to the Jews, they kept committing excesses in the land.

To sum up 5:32 teach that muslim slaughter of people is quiet ok if they are committing a mischief in the land. It then accuses the Jews of being people who are perpetrating excesses in the land.

Now read on:

qur'an 5.33 The punishment of those who wage war against allah and his messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Verses 5:32 and 5:33 are not teaching peace and love, they advocate that it is the sacred duty of muslims to commit human rights atrocities against non muslims who reject allah and muhammad, as the bearers of true religion. Denying allah and muhammad is spreading mischief through the land.

Now consider:

A crucial distinction in islamic theology is the difference between dar al-harb and dar al-islam. To put it simply, dar al-harb (territory of war or chaos) is the name for the regions where islam does not dominate, where allah's will is not observed, it is rejected, and therefore where continuing mischief is the norm. By contrast, dar al-islam (territory of peace) is the name for those territories where Islam does dominate, where submission to allah is observed.

So dedicated muslims regard, qur'an 5:32 & 5:33 as doctrinal permission for them to kill non muslims. Because, as a result of dar al-harb (territory of war or chaos), the non muslims are making "mischief in the Earth," by scorning allah / islam.

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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: The inerrant Koran??? Reply #72 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:33am Yadda wrote on Jan 19^th, 2011 at 10:22am: . ...today, moslems...dare to declare that the Jewish Old Testament Bible, and the New Testament, are corrupted scriptures! Yes we dare because it is true!
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Reply #73 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 8:11am

Yadda wrote on Jan 19^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

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Moslems in this age, make the claim that the Jewish Old Testament Bible, and the New Testament, are corrupted scriptures.

Correct.

Yadda wrote on Jan 19^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

moslems also make the claim that the Koran is pristine and miraculously inerrant [without error]

Correct

Yadda wrote on Jan 19^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

Within the 'inerrant' Koran, in many places, it is declared that 'the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus)', were revealed, and sent to Moses and Jesus, by Allah.

Correct.

Yadda wrote on Jan 19^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

At that time, when the Koran was being revealed to Mohammed, Allah declares [within the 'inerrant' Koran] that the Jewish O.T. Bible, and the New Testament scriptures, are authentic scriptures!!

Incorrect.

Yadda wrote on Jan 19^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

2 Q's

Q1.
Don't these Koran verses [below] contradict the claims made by moslems of this age, that the Jewish O.T. Bible, and the New Testament scriptures, were, or have been, corrupted by Jews, and Christians?

No.

Yadda wrote on Jan 19^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

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Here are some of the Koran verses, which refer to, 'the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus)'...

"Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal.
It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)."
Koran 3.2-3

An incorrect translation.

A better translation would read thus:

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He [God] has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book [Quran] in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

What does Islam hold to be the Torah and the Gospel? When Christians or Jews think of these two terms, they think of some kind of book written on paper. Whereas Islam holds these to be the original words spoken by Moses and Jesus, not necessarily what is found in some book.

What came out of Moses' mouth was the Torah, what has been written down is not the Torah - at least not in its original unadulterated form.

When the Quran talks about the Torah it is talking about what cam out of Moses' mouth. The same is so for the Jesus and the Gospel.

Yadda wrote on Jan 19^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety:......."
Koran 5.46-48

Incomplete and inaccurate translation.

A more accurate translation is this:

Quote:

And We [God] have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book [Quran] in truth, a confirmation of that which preceded it of the Scripture and a [u]criterion over it[/u].

It means the Quran is the unadulterated revelation from which truth and falsehood can be known in the books of Jews and Christians

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Reply #74 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:23am

True Colours wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 8:11am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 19^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

An incorrect translation.

A better translation would read thus:

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He [God] has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book [Quran] in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

What does Islam hold to be the Torah and the Gospel?

When Christians or Jews think of these two terms, they think of some kind of book written on paper.

Whereas Islam holds these to be the original words spoken by Moses and Jesus, not necessarily what is found in some book.

What came out of Moses' mouth was the Torah, what has been written down is not the Torah - at least not in its original unadulterated form.

When the Quran talks about the Torah it is talking about what cam out of Moses' mouth. The same is so for the Jesus and the Gospel.

True_Colours,

ISLAMIC texts are a witness, that you are mistaken/ignorant on this matter.

ISLAMIC texts are a witness

, that Mohammed venerated a book/document - THE TORAH that existed in Mohammed's age.

"A group of Jews came and invited the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) to Quff. So he visited them in their school.
They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee."
hadith/abudawud/ #038.4434

i.e.
The Hadith declares, that Mohammed revered a clearly UNCORRUPTED Torah, which Mohammed held in his hands.
n.b. "....I [Mohammed] believed in thee [the Torah] and in Him Who revealed thee. "
see also,
hadith/bukhari/ #008.082.809
hadith/muwatta/ #041.41.1.1i Quote:

A PROPOSITION OF LOGIC;
To believe the moslem assertion, made today, that the Jewish O.T. Bible, and the New Testament scriptures have been corrupted, by Jews, and Christians, you have to believe that not one uncorrupted copy of either text survived [i.e. within a single moslem jurisdiction].

How likely is that, when ISLAMIC texts themselves, clearly state that these scriptures ['the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus)'], were protected by Allah, and venerated by Mohammed?

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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