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bob92 New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15	questions on islam Jan 20^th, 2011 at 6:37pm my first question is are muslims and non muslims are allowed to be friends thanks
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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: questions on islam Reply #1 - Jan 20^th, 2011 at 6:54pm bob92 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2011 at 6:37pm: my first question is are muslims and non muslims are allowed to be friends thanks One would hope so - given that the commonality of their humanity far outweighs any minor differences of opinion over imaginary doGs which share the same origins...
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Reply #2 - Jan 20^th, 2011 at 8:20pm

bob92 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2011 at 6:37pm:

my first question is are muslims and non muslims are allowed to be friends

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Quran 5:51 - do not take the christians and jews as friends.

There is a hadith that says if a christian or jew approaches you then force them to the narrowest part of the path.

That said not all muslims have read the Quran so they are not really aware of whats in it.

The Quran has a word for (moderate) muslims who do not take Islam seriously it calls them hypocrites.

I have a few friends who are muslim they dont really take it seriously they are nice people.

I see Islam as a mental illness they suffer from God delusions and if you were to treat it as a mental illness then you have to be humane and show compassion treat them as a human with kindness yet you cannot give the delusion any credibility.

The death penalty for apostasy results in not many muslims admitting to the fact they dont believe in Islam and i think many closet apostates are mistaken for moderate muslims.

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salad in Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5941	Re: questions on islam Reply #3 - Jan 20^th, 2011 at 8:26pm bob92 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2011 at 6:37pm: my first question is are muslims and non muslims are allowed to be friends thanks No.
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salad in Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5941	Re: questions on islam Reply #4 - Jan 20^th, 2011 at 8:26pm bob92 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2011 at 6:37pm: my first question is are muslims and non muslims are allowed to be friends thanks No.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48874 At my desk.	Re: questions on islam Reply #5 - Jan 20^th, 2011 at 9:03pm This is permitted, but you may have to be friends on one of the other boards. You cannot be friends if you ask difficult questions about Islam.
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Reply #6 - Jan 20^th, 2011 at 9:30pm

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my first question is are muslims and non muslims are allowed to be friends

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Hello bob, yes, Muslims and non-Muslims can be friends.

The word in the verses above which is sometimes mistranslated as friends actually means allies/protectors. In the Arabic language the concept of friendship is distributed amongst many different words, each of them defining different aspects of what we lump all together in English as "friendship".

A Muslim man may have a non-Muslim as his wife (and therefore will obviously love her beyond any friendship), that point alone makes it quite obvious that those who claim Muslims and non-Muslims cannot be friends are just peddling nonsense.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: questions on islam Reply #7 - Jan 20^th, 2011 at 9:32pm btw bob, nevermind freediver and salad in, they have a few mental issues they are having trouble working through. We try to be as supportive as we can, but it is never easy.
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Reply #8 - Jan 20^th, 2011 at 9:34pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 20^th, 2011 at 9:30pm:

A Muslim man may have a non-Muslim as his wife (and therefore will obviously love her beyond any friendship), that point alone makes it quite obvious that those who claim Muslims and non-Muslims cannot be friends are just peddling nonsense.

A muslim woman cannot marry a non muslim man.

Google "honour killings" to see what happens if she tries.

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Reply #9 - Jan 20^th, 2011 at 9:45pm

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The word in the verses above which is sometimes mistranslated as friends actually means allies/protectors.

So a Muslim is forbidden from protecting a non-Muslim? Does this also mean that a Muslim may not work with the Americans to hunt down Osama?

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In the Arabic language the concept of friendship is distributed amongst many different words, each of them defining different aspects of what we lump all together in English as "friendship".

Like lover, friend, colleague, aquaintance, mate, protector, ally?

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: questions on islam Reply #10 - Jan 21^st, 2011 at 9:29am Quote: A muslim woman cannot marry a non muslim man. Correct. Quote: Google "honour killings" to see what happens if she tries. Honour killings are not a part of Islam, and are considered an act of murder by Islamic law. So that was irrelevant.
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Reply #11 - Jan 21^st, 2011 at 9:34am

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So a Muslim is forbidden from protecting a non-Muslim?

No. A Muslim is forbidden from taking a non-Muslim as his protector.

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Like lover, friend, colleague, aquaintance, mate, protector, ally?

Right. Each of those words concepts could be referred to as friend in English, but in Arabic, each (and more) have very specific terms. There is no general term in Arabic that could mean all of them.

The example I've mentioned before is, it would make no sense at all for an Arab to say: "I am going out to play with my awliyaa (the word in those verses)".

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Reply #12 - Jan 21^st, 2011 at 9:36am

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 21^st, 2011 at 9:29am:

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A muslim woman cannot marry a non muslim man.

Correct.

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Google "honour killings" to see what happens if she tries.

Honour killings are not a part of Islam, and are considered an act of murder by Islamic law. So that was irrelevant.

Honour killings are a part of Islam.

If a woman starts dating a Kufr she is declared an apostate.

Islam has a death penalty for apostasy.

Abu do you agree with the death penalty for apostasy in Islam?

Do you think it is acceptable in 2011 that someone should be killed for the crime of leaving Islam?

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: questions on islam Reply #13 - Jan 21^st, 2011 at 9:48am Quote: Honour killings are a part of Islam. No they are not. When you can bring an Islamic text showing they are, then you can state this, otherwise, as usual, you're just peddling garbage.
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Reply #14 - Jan 21^st, 2011 at 10:01am

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 21^st, 2011 at 9:48am:

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Honour killings are a part of Islam.

No they are not.

When you can bring an Islamic text showing they are, then you can state this, otherwise, as usual, you're just peddling garbage.

If a muslim woman starts dating a non muslim man she is considered to have left Islam because that is not permitted therefore she is declared an apostate.

Abu you have avoided my questions on the death penalty for apostasy.

Do you agree with the death penalty for apostasy?

Do you think it is right that someone should be killed for the crime of leaving Islam?

If you do not answer these questions we will take that as a YES!

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