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Reply #300 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 8:20am

Julia's deception on 'savings' makes credibility a joke
Peter van Onselen From: The Australian February 07, 2011 12:00AM

YESTERDAY Julia Gillard proudly repeated a line Wayne Swan has been misleadingly spruiking for months.

She said: "I want to reinforce this point, we have already made as a government more than $80 billion of savings since 2007".

Sounds impressive, right? The only problem is it isn't true. When the Prime Minister and the Treasurer talk of "savings", they include tax increases, dividends and levies, not just cuts in government spending.

The planned flood levy would be classified as savings. What a joke.

Here are some examples of what Gillard includes in her list of so-called savings. A one-off dividend of $150 million the government demanded from Australia Post, $555m from luxury-car tax rises, $402m from higher visa application charges and, in the most recent budget, $275m from more fuel taxes as a result of amending ethanol arrangements.

Added to that are billions of dollars from alcopops and tobacco tax rises. Even the yet-to-be-collected mining tax is included in the $80bn in so-called savings.

Labor's biggest challenge is overcoming a relentlessly negative opposition and failures in programs during its first term. But its credibility is hurt, not helped, by misrepresentative statements.

It is political alchemy to include tax increases and one-off dividends as savings. It simply doesn't pass the commonsense test. No wonder the public is loath to believe what politicians tell them

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nichy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1812 Gender:	Re: GILLARDS FLOOD LEVY Reply #301 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 8:29am I find it interesting that 55% support the flood levy but 60% dont have to pay it.
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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: GILLARDS FLOOD LEVY Reply #302 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 11:57am I heard one bit of good news in relation to the victorian floods, that reminds me that every cloud has a silver lining. The broccoli crop has been decimated.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: GILLARDS FLOOD LEVY Reply #303 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:28pm Interesting that a whole heap of people on here seem to support the flood levy knowing they don't earn enough to have to pay for it. No change there then. "Great idea, let's get all them rich people to pay...."
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Reply #304 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:32pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:28pm:

Interesting that a whole heap of people on here seem to support the flood levy knowing they don't earn enough to have to pay for it.

No change there then.

"Great idea, let's get all them rich people to pay...."

Explain the 55% of people who will have to pay it being in support of it.

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Reply #305 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:54pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:32pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:28pm:

Interesting that a whole heap of people on here seem to support the flood levy knowing they don't earn enough to have to pay for it.

No change there then.

"Great idea, let's get all them rich people to pay...."

Explain the 55% of people who will have to pay it being in support of it.

Tell me why everyone shouldn't have to pay it?

Why hit just some people?

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Reply #306 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:59pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:54pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:32pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:28pm:

Interesting that a whole heap of people on here seem to support the flood levy knowing they don't earn enough to have to pay for it.

No change there then.

"Great idea, let's get all them rich people to pay...."

Explain the 55% of people who will have to pay it being in support of it.

Tell me why everyone shouldn't have to pay it?

Why hit just some people?

Because that's the design of the levy to counteract the argument that the Coalition went with, that people will not be able to afford a levy with all the current increases in cost they are going through. You can't have 2 contradictory arguments: One saying someone can't afford it, and then when that's eradicated arguing that not everyone is paying it.

The people who designed this levy modeled and determined $50,000 to be a starting figure.

And before talking about the design of this levy why don't you actually prove your intelligence by talking about the design of this "subsidy" for electricity you are so fond of.

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Reply #307 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:05pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:28pm:

Interesting that a whole heap of people on here seem to support the flood levy knowing they don't earn enough to have to pay for it.

No change there then.

"Great idea, let's get all them rich people to pay...."

That would doubtless be some of the very same 'rich people', who have received annual tax cuts since the turn of the century that exceed the annual income of most welfare recipients - and many low income households - including effectively-pre-paid pensions in the form of 15% marginal tax rates via the euphemistically-named Superannuation Tax Concessions scam...

FFS, I wish that some commentators out there in the MSM - such as Gittins - would inject some facts and a semblance of relativity into this cynically-politicised issue!

Meantime, I dare some of you right whingers to calculate and publish the amount of reduced tax paid on personal income alone payable in FY2011 versus FY2000 for, say, individuals earning the following amounts: -

a) $150,000 pa

b) $200,000 pa

c) $250,000 pa

d) $300,000 pa

e) $500,000 pa

f) $750,000 pa

g) $1,000,000 pa

h) $2,000,000 pa

Then come back to us and justify your complaints about a 0.5%-1% natural disaster levy payable on these relatively-high income levels - ta!

Go on - I dare ya!

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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: GILLARDS FLOOD LEVY Reply #308 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:11pm The thing that pisses me off about the Australian Taxation system is it is designed to punish single income families who have a stay at home parent. I will wear the levy, except if my income was split we would just escape it after deductions. Its funny how the government wants to help families, just not traditional ones.
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Reply #309 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:16pm

Verge wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

The thing that pisses me off about the Australian Taxation system is it is designed to punish single income families who have a stay at home parent.

I will wear the levy, except if my income was split we would just escape it after deductions.

Its funny how the government wants to help families, just not traditional ones.

Hey verge, try being a single with no dependants! Get NUTHIN!

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Reply #310 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:17pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:54pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:32pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:28pm:

Interesting that a whole heap of people on here seem to support the flood levy knowing they don't earn enough to have to pay for it.

No change there then.

"Great idea, let's get all them rich people to pay...."

Explain the 55% of people who will have to pay it being in support of it.

Tell me why everyone shouldn't have to pay it?

Why hit just some people?

Agreed!

Furthermore, had this government not squandered beyond their means, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Are we broke?

Before gouging ordinary Australians, would it be prudent to check the books first, or is this just one big money making exercise, Labor plan to exploit to cash up on, this and put towards other things.

Like Keatings recession we had to have, will this be the hardship we had to endure also?

We really need to get Labor out, and quickly.

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vegitamite Ex Member	Re: GILLARDS FLOOD LEVY Reply #311 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:19pm The levy for disasters - like the flood - will create work for thousands of people, tradesmen, road and rail workers, retailers etc. . This WILL create huge revenues for the Federal and State governments involved. The workload will probably continue for at least two years. So the money will GO AROUND .
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Reply #312 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:22pm

mellie wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:17pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:54pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:32pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:28pm:

Interesting that a whole heap of people on here seem to support the flood levy knowing they don't earn enough to have to pay for it.

No change there then.

"Great idea, let's get all them rich people to pay...."

Explain the 55% of people who will have to pay it being in support of it.

Tell me why everyone shouldn't have to pay it?

Why hit just some people?

Agreed!

Furthermore, had this government not squandered beyond their means, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Are we broke?

Before gouging ordinary Australians, would it be prudent to check the books first, or is this just one big money making exercise, Labor plan to exploit to cash up on, this and put towards other things.

Like Keatings recession we had to have, will this be the hardship we had to endure also?

We really need to get Labor out, and quickly.

Wow I've never read a coalition supporter being in favour of continuing a deficit.

HARDSHIP WE HAD TO ENDURE! Darling, you want me to send you the $50 so you can still afford that extra slab of beer?

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Reply #313 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:25pm

Please delete wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:16pm:

Verge wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

The thing that pisses me off about the Australian Taxation system is it is designed to punish single income families who have a stay at home parent.

I will wear the levy, except if my income was split we would just escape it after deductions.

Its funny how the government wants to help families, just not traditional ones.

Hey verge, try being a single with no dependants! Get NUTHIN!

Well we were DINKS (double income, not kids) up unless June last year, then my wife took early maternity leave thanks to violent morning sickness and we wore that.

But they talk about wanting to help families yet there is no tax incentive for a parent to stay at home. While one has an income of zero, the other is paying $0.40 in the dollar over $80k, yet dual incomes on $45k each enjoy a much lower rate.

Single income family - $90k salary - Tax Paid in total is $22,000 with a nett of $68,000, or $34,000 each.

Dual income family of $45k each is tax paid of in total - $16,200 with a family nett of $73,800, or $36,900 each.

I dont know about you, but why should one family be $5,800 better off than another?

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Reply #314 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:35pm

veggie Quote:

The levy for disasters - like the flood - will create work for thousands of people, tradesmen, road and rail workers, retailers etc. .

This WILL create huge revenues for the Federal and State governments involved. The workload will probably continue for at least two years. So the money will GO AROUND

the levy will not creat any work.
floods do that.
the levy pays for it.
The govt (us) will pay for the work, it won't be a net gain .
it'll be a net cost.
disasters are not good for an economy.

your leftardian thinking is at the forefront.

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