Yadda wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 8:27am:

OT, NT makes no difference they were written by MEN ie Jewish men. they usurped a polytheistic belief and replaced it with a monotheist religion and wrote the bible (much later) as if it was the word of one g-d, but in reality 'they' were the g-d.

The bible is a control and a very good one and has been the source of this worlds woes since it's inception.

However the true torah jews know that ZIONISM is the enemy of the world and say so loud and clear. The Israeli's today are NOT Israelites, they never had their origins in the so called holy land ... they are Ashkenazis, proselyte khazarians. Baron Walter Rothschild  was an Ashkenazi and they have no right to possess the 'holy' land. ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/statements/20080123.cfm

Zionist Massacre in Gaza
January 2008
Neturei Karta is always committed to voice the traditional Religious Jewish opposition to the philosophy of Zionism and the existence of the state of "Israel".

According to the Torah teachings, Jews are in exile by divine decree. They are forbidden to leave exile and create their own state by physical means. Secondly, Jewish law forbids Jews to rebel against any other nations. Jews are required to be loyal citizens in the countries in which they reside. Hence, the state of "Israel" is forbidden.

The creation of the state of "Israel" transgresses these and other basic principles of Torah law. It was established on the land of others, totally against the will of its indigenous population, the Palestinian people, with endless and continuous oppression of its people, including murder, brutal beating, confiscation of their properties and baseless imprisonment etc.

Therefore religious Jewish leaders have always and continually oppose Zionism and the state of Israel. They predicted that only tragedy and bloodshed will be its result, G-d should protect us.

The state of "Israel" has no right to rule over any part of the Holy Land. The entire land should be restored to the indigenous Palestinian people, with the Almighty's help, peacefully.

In reference to the current tragic situation in Gaza, Neturei Karta in Jerusalem issued several documents to clarify the religious Torah position against the crimes committed by the state of "Israel" and to express that the state of "Israel" should not exist and does not represent the traditional Jewish community.

(Read letter to Honorable Doctor Mamoud Al-Zahar from Neturei Karta USA and Canada.)

Following is a letter that was sent to the Secretary General of the United Nations.

Neturei Karta of the Orthodox Jewry
Jerusalem, Palestine

Jan 21, 08

URGENT LETTER TO THE ESTEEMED SECRETARY GENERAL OF THE UNITED NATIONS, THE HONORABLE BAN-KI MOON
FROM ORTHODOX JEWS IN JERUSALEM AND WORLDWIDE ABOUT THE CURRENT ZIONIST ONSLAUGHT AGAINST THE PALESTINIANS IN GAZA

Dear Hon. Secretary-General:

It is with a heavy heart that we write you from the city of Jerusalem. For sixty years the authorities of what is mischaracterized as the "Jewish State" have been undertaking a vicious campaign of oppression and ethnic cleansing against millions of Palestinians who currently still live in historic Palestine and who are refugees from Palestine in other countires. And they have been committing all these crimes in the name of the ancient and holy Jewish religion!

For sixty years the State of Israel been desecrating and violating our sacred religion! For sixty years the State of Israel has been flaunting international law and United Nation General Assembly and Security Council resolutions! For sixty years they have been bringing Mankind to the edge of world war, claiming to do so in the name of Judaism!

Even today, as we write this letter, the Zionist regime is waging an unrelenting war of starvation and suffering against the people of Gaza. In the name of the sacred values of the Jewish religion we cry out to the international community and especially the great powers and the United Nations: Please use your skills to finally stop the vicious and insane campaigns of the State of Israel against the Palestinians whose suffering worsens from one day to the next under the heavy hand of occupation and oppression, ethnic cleansing and discrimination!

Mr. Secretary-General, we beseech you to use your offices to work with world leaders to stop this mad campaign of collective punishment and oppression! Our holy religion teaches us values that are the utter opposite of those of the State of Israel: we are taught by our Torah to live in harmony and brotherhood, friendship and neighborliness.

The State of Israel is trying to use its military power to preserve its ethnocracy and is demanding that the world community watch silently as they continue to hammer the Palestinian People year after year with the most sophisticated weapons of war. This cannot go on any lo

True. And I'm guessing the CIA and US Defense Intelligence are very busy beavers over in the Middle East right now.

Do they still have the funds, however, to install their man? Western government mouthpieces are all using the same phrase: "orderly transition." While they mean no civil wars, they also mean "security and stability," which means not upsetting the markets.

Which means, I think, that they don't have a viable stooge waiting in the wings. This, if you recall, was why they kept Saddam in power after the Gulf War, and why they held off calling elections for so long after Operation Desert Storm.

I'm guessing that the US are just as suprised and caught off-guard as everyone else.

Freedom and democracy might sound nice, but it's a different matter entirely when you've got no say over it.

Beertruk wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 8:36pm:


Fakeastinians?? Beertruk were you on the beer truck when you read the above phrase? That was a speech written by a JEW, a true Torah Jew RABBI. Go to the Neturei Karta website and learn for yourself what REAL Jews think about the FAKE Jews called ZIONISTS and the so-called 'State of Israel'.

The population in Gaza is being increased by Israeli SETTLERS taking over even more palestinian land ... The small amount of land left of PALESTINE have been in decline for decades.

Learn the hisory of Palestine before making a fool of yourself further. and Janland happens to be AUSTRALIA.

This map shows Palestinian LOSS of land from 1946 (palestinian in Green, small white dots is the land given to the Jews by Britain with no consult with Palestinians) ... to 2000 the small green dots Palestine, the white area is now JEWISH, and that has grown even larger since 2000. Gaza is that smal green area bottom left, on the map of the Fake of Israel.



You know bugger all about the state of Israel, or you wouldn't make such stupid comments.

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 4:14pm:


They would have the funds because they are funded by the Jewish bankers but the right 'stooge' could prove problematical as most of the 'candidates' would be wary of a 'friendly' US, and the US would want an obedient puppet.

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I agree entirely, I think everyone is surprised at the peaceful (so far) uprising. But I fear that it will turn nasty if the Mossad and CIA infiltrators have their way.

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 12:25pm:


And the Internal revenue get their funding from the American government via the Jewish banks.
Perhaps a review of the American fiat money system is in order, and who owns and rules America.

The IMF world bank, the American Federal Reserve bank and every other Inernational banking system are "privately owned" and although they may use the services of other 'interests' as their CEO's and managers the owners are Jews or Zionist.

As too are the 'major' media outlets, newspapers, magazines, films, television, radio, recording studios etc ... and the reason you never get Jewish criticism and muslim biased reports.

Start with this http://hubpages.com/hub/Mayer_Amschel_Bauer

http://www.aussiemuslims.com/forums/attachment.phpattachmentid=3507&d=1296733151

Christian Egyptians form a protective ring around Muslims who are engaging in their afternoon prayer.

Jan wrote on Feb 4^th, 2011 at 4:13am:


You seem to have some beef with Jews, Jan. Sure, there are plenty of Jewish CEOs, but I doubt many of them are Zionists; they're capitalists.

And plenty of them are critical of Israel's actions.

You're right about Jewish criticism: every time someone publicly criticises Israel, the Council of Australian Jewry tars them with the anti-Semitic brush. It's an old game.

But this is the Jewish Council, not the IMF. Jews occupy many powerful positions, but all the Jewish people get out of it is a small state in the Middle East with a population of less than eight million. Oh, and the Council of Australian Jewry.

These sort of lobby groups are disproportionately powerful, there is no doubt about it. But they do not control the world as you seem to think. Capitalism is, by its nature, multicultural. For the past 40 years, it has been led by the US, Europe and Japan. There aren't many Japanese Jews, and there aren't a lot of European ones left either. Still, the US is the global hegemon and there are plenty of Jews there.

Capitalism requires many competing and interdependant forces to come together. In this phase of capitalism, it's comprised of the following:

Oil (from states like Saudi Arabia and Venezuela)
Minerals like coal and iron ore (from countries like Australia, India and Brazil)
Intellectual property (software, media, brands and genetically modified organisms patented largely in the US)
Labour and manufactured goods (from China and some smaller East Asian countries like South Korea and Taiwan)
Finance (largely mediated by the US, but from all over the world as the 1970s loans crisis and borrowed petrodollars showed)
Markets (predominantly the US, then Europe, although China is shaping up to take over as the world's largest economy in 2030)

Lastly, capitalism has a ruling class. This class needs to be international as oil, minerals, brands, goods, finance, labour and markets are bought and sold all over the world.

You claim this class to be Zionist Jews. Firstly, I'm curious how this is possible within the multinational and multicultural nature of capitalism. Secondly, how do Jews benefit? All they get is a hot, dry state surrounded by enemies.

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The Zionists chose Vienna as the center of the political movement because Mr. Herzl published the official weekly Die Welt (The World) in this city and because he was the brain behind the establishment of Israel somewhere in this world but preferably around Jerusalem.  As per historical account, the Zionist congresses met yearly until 1901 and then every two years.  The Ottoman government refused Herzl’s request for Palestinian autonomy from their Sultanate.  The Zionists however found support in Great Britain.  In 1903, the British government offered 6,000 square miles (15,500 square km) of uninhabited Uganda for Jewish settlement, but the Zionists refused; they preferred Palestine over the land in Uganda.

The Zionst WANTED Palestine because they had plans even then to occupy ALL of the land once occuppied by Jews, which includes Iraq (Babylon) Jordan and Syria, in order to control the entire Middle East and the OIL.