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Feb 3rd, 2011 at 8:21am
 
Martin Ferguson is demonstrating a very un-Labor like trait . . .he's talking common sense.

"Mr Ferguson said the government's own clean energy strategy was his first priority, but he was also "very much focused on what is happening outside Australia". "Other countries are making the progress in nuclear opportunities that we have to make in terms of our own clean energy," he said.

"If those clean-energy options are not proven to be viable commercially . . . there will be a far more seriously focused nuclear debate in Australia.

"If we don't make the breakthrough in the period 2015-2020, then what is the alternative for Australia?

"It doesn't matter if it's carbon capture and storage being viable, geothermal, solar thermal or whatever."

Mr Ferguson backed the right of Labor members to debate the nuclear power issue at the party's national conference in December. "Open discussion is good for the party."

Whether there are enough intelligent people in his party to have an open discussion is questionable. Still, hopefully they won't be around for too long.

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Re: Ferguson serious about nuclear
Reply #1 - Feb 3rd, 2011 at 8:30am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Feb 3rd, 2011 at 8:21am:
Martin Ferguson is demonstrating a very un-Labor like trait . . .he's talking common sense.

"Mr Ferguson said the government's own clean energy strategy was his first priority, but he was also "very much focused on what is happening outside Australia". "Other countries are making the progress in nuclear opportunities that we have to make in terms of our own clean energy," he said.

"If those clean-energy options are not proven to be viable commercially . . . there will be a far more seriously focused nuclear debate in Australia.

"If we don't make the breakthrough in the period 2015-2020, then what is the alternative for Australia?

"It doesn't matter if it's carbon capture and storage being viable, geothermal, solar thermal or whatever."

Mr Ferguson backed the right of Labor members to debate the nuclear power issue at the party's national conference in December. "Open discussion is good for the party."

Whether there are enough intelligent people in his party to have an open discussion is questionable. Still, hopefully they won't be around for too long.



Really? The Labor Party actually debate their policies? I thought they were like the Liberal Party where Tony gets a thought bubble and puts it down on a napkin and then they try to roll with it!  WOW...
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Reply #2 - Feb 3rd, 2011 at 8:45am
 
Deputy Prime Minister Bob Brown please ring your office.
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Reply #3 - Feb 3rd, 2011 at 9:09am
 
Good to see Ferguson thinking outside his labor 'box'.
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Reply #4 - Feb 3rd, 2011 at 9:17am
 
One smart Aussie company is about to start mining a huge uranium deposit in Wyoming. It has already lined up customers in the US nuclear industry, so it won't have to worry about Australia's stupid policies. Others are in the process of doing the same thing in Africa, if the Chinese don't beat them to it or buy them up.
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Reply #5 - Feb 3rd, 2011 at 10:04am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 3rd, 2011 at 9:09am:
Good to see Ferguson thinking outside his labor 'box'.


Except he talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk.

Some people want the debate - so bring it on, start, raise the issues, make some proposals, answer some questions.

Stop talking as if there was someone or something stopping a putative debate, because there isn't.
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Reply #6 - Feb 3rd, 2011 at 10:28am
 
Please delete wrote on Feb 3rd, 2011 at 10:04am:
longweekend58 wrote on Feb 3rd, 2011 at 9:09am:
Good to see Ferguson thinking outside his labor 'box'.


Except he talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk.

Some people want the debate - so bring it on, start, raise the issues, make some proposals, answer some questions.

Stop talking as if there was someone or something stopping a putative debate, because there isn't.


Sadly debates are only set up to keep the minions happy.  Look at the one of Afghanistan, talk about WOFTAM.  Decision was made long before any debate happened.

Also, a debate on gay marriage.  Whats the point in having it as the agenda is already set for a "no" with no conscious vote option on the table.

I used to think parlimentary debate was a good thing.  Sadly my views have changed.  I reckon we could do away with question time.  No one answers the questions asked of them unless its one from their own party, and it makes us as a nation look childish and petty.
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Reply #7 - Feb 3rd, 2011 at 11:39am
 
Our politics ARE childish & petty . . .may as well look the part
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Reply #8 - Feb 3rd, 2011 at 1:05pm
 
Energy generation is an issue affecting all Australians. Why not discuss all potential systems?  Not to do so is reminiscent of the method of presentation of ACC, anyone who isn`t a faithful believer is howled down like a medieval witch.   

Al Gore isn`t the Messiah.
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mavisdavis wrote on Feb 3rd, 2011 at 1:05pm:
Energy generation is an issue affecting all Australians. Why not discuss all potential systems?  Not to do so is reminiscent of the method of presentation of ACC, anyone who isn`t a faithful believer is howled down like a medieval witch.  

Al Gore isn`t the Messiah.


I simply don't understand - who is stopping anyone from discussing, arguing, or even proposing to build, any sort of power station?

The best thing that could happen re Nuclear is that some proponent put forward a concrete proposal, for Australia to discuss.
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Reply #10 - Feb 3rd, 2011 at 1:16pm
 
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Why not discuss all potential systems?


UMMMMMM, we are discussing it.
It has been discussed for years.
It has been shown that it is not a financially viable alternative in OZ.
Even if we started planning a plant today, it would be 20 years before it was in operation.
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Reply #11 - Feb 3rd, 2011 at 1:27pm
 
Recommends you to stay focused on Co2 emitin reduction.
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Reply #12 - Feb 3rd, 2011 at 1:33pm
 
Nuclear to me has always been the prime highlight of how far behind the rest of the world Australia can be at times.

We have had nuclear since I was a kid in England.

We had Oldbury, Hinckley Point A, B and now C all within distance of my hometown - completely safe, completely accident free and producing emissions-free power for the country.

But you ask Aussies, who admittedly suffer from cabin fever of being the other side of the world to everyone else, and they conjure up thoughts of Mad Max and Chernobyl.

Nuclear is safe, low emissions and sensible.

Get involved.
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Reply #13 - Feb 3rd, 2011 at 1:34pm
 
Please delete wrote on Feb 3rd, 2011 at 1:15pm:
mavisdavis wrote on Feb 3rd, 2011 at 1:05pm:
Energy generation is an issue affecting all Australians. Why not discuss all potential systems?  Not to do so is reminiscent of the method of presentation of ACC, anyone who isn`t a faithful believer is howled down like a medieval witch.  

Al Gore isn`t the Messiah.


I simply don't understand - who is stopping anyone from discussing, arguing, or even proposing to build, any sort of power station?

The best thing that could happen re Nuclear is that some proponent put forward a concrete proposal, for Australia to discuss.



Are you saying that there is no "political" opposition to the consideration of nuclear power for electricity generation in Australia? If so, you are completely wrong, there is an ostrich like attitude shared by all of the Greens, and most of the ALP, that prevents them even considering this option.

I`m not a proponent of Nuclear power, but I would like to see the issue sensibly discussed.  Sorry, but I just can`t mindlessly accept Peter Garrett, or Bob Brown`s word as holy scripture, I need to see the facts.
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Reply #14 - Feb 3rd, 2011 at 1:35pm
 
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But you ask Aussies, who admittedly suffer from cabin fever of being the other side of the world to everyone else, and they conjure up thoughts of Mad Max and Chernobyl.

Nuclear is safe, low emissions and sensible.


That's right. Mad Max took place in Australia.  Maybe they're afraid of the Liberal party.  It could be a social democracy addiction.  Minnesota is has a social democracy addiction 50 years+  before the rest of the United States had same thing.  The Minnesota Farmer Labor Party was democratic socialism.  Rumor it came from Norwegians.
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