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Reply #30 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:08pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:01pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:51pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

Same old story, money pissed down the drain on totally useless projects.

I have no hesistation in paying the Governments as little as possible - all they do is waste it so what's the point.

Look after yourself first and foremost.

What happened to your idea about subsidising electricity payments?

That's not waste.
That's helping ordinary families.

Before making baseless statements you still have to actually talk about the design of your subsidy thought bubble. Because the way you have described it, it is a complete waste.

The subsidy in its nature would be an easing of cost of living pressure on family budgets paid for by removal of Government waste and unnecessary welfare spending.

There would be areas to be looked at -

1) I'd freeze public sector pay to inflation only.
2) I'd increase GST to 17.5%
3) I would cut unemployment benefit
4) I would removal Government waste on public sector projects

It would be a subsidy designed to help and assist families.
I'd have a very family orientated budget for Australia, and it would work.

1. You haven't answered how you will control the cost of electricity rising, eventuating in the subsidy becoming quite useless in helping people with living costs.

2. How much will the levy be?

3. So basically you would increase a tax to hand a little back? Genius.

No I would increase sales tax as part of an overall tax strategy designed to cut direct income tax and plug the revenue gap that would entail.

At this point in time Australia has much higher levels of direct income tax than other countries and much lower sales tax.
That needs to be addressed.

Australia also has high levels of unnecessary public welfare.

I'd probably leave healthcare alone but that is an area which has absurd amount of waste.
A more privatised transport system would be beneficial.

Basically things that can be run by private businesses instead of public ones can be first cars off the block.

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Re: Everything squandered, now a rainy day.
Reply #31 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:10pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:08pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:01pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:51pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

Same old story, money pissed down the drain on totally useless projects.

I have no hesistation in paying the Governments as little as possible - all they do is waste it so what's the point.

Look after yourself first and foremost.

What happened to your idea about subsidising electricity payments?

That's not waste.
That's helping ordinary families.

Before making baseless statements you still have to actually talk about the design of your subsidy thought bubble. Because the way you have described it, it is a complete waste.

The subsidy in its nature would be an easing of cost of living pressure on family budgets paid for by removal of Government waste and unnecessary welfare spending.

There would be areas to be looked at -

1) I'd freeze public sector pay to inflation only.
2) I'd increase GST to 17.5%
3) I would cut unemployment benefit
4) I would removal Government waste on public sector projects

It would be a subsidy designed to help and assist families.
I'd have a very family orientated budget for Australia, and it would work.

1. You haven't answered how you will control the cost of electricity rising, eventuating in the subsidy becoming quite useless in helping people with living costs.

2. How much will the levy be?

3. So basically you would increase a tax to hand a little back? Genius.

No I would increase sales tax as part of an overall tax strategy designed to cut direct income tax and plug the revenue gap that would entail.

At this point in time Australia has much higher levels of direct income tax than other countries and much lower sales tax.
That needs to be addressed.

Australia also has high levels of unnecessary public welfare.

I'd probably leave healthcare alone but that is an area which has absurd amount of waste.
A more privatised transport system would be beneficial.

Basically things that can be run by private businesses instead of public ones can be first cars off the block.

Good cover.

But answer the questions:

1. You haven't answered how you will control the cost of electricity rising, eventuating in the subsidy becoming quite useless in helping people with living costs.

2. How much will the levy be?

3. and what happens when private businesses begin to increase the costs of day-to-day necessities for society? Will you introduce subsidies here too, to help the working family?

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Re: Everything squandered, now a rainy day.
Reply #32 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:11pm

mellie wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:07pm:

Would the $500 million we pledged to Indonesian schools have come in handy now ...had we kept this for a rainy day?

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-generic-blog/gillards-500-million-pledge-for-ind...

That $500 million would have covered the damage done to our sugar industry.

She has no idea!

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Is it too late to ask for the $500 mil back?

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Reply #33 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:11pm

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The subsidy in its nature would be an easing of cost of living pressure on family budgets paid for by removal of Government waste and unnecessary welfare spending.

There would be areas to be looked at -

1) I'd freeze public sector pay to inflation only.
2) I'd increase GST to 17.5%
3) I would cut unemployment benefit
4) I would removal Government waste on public sector projects

It would be a subsidy designed to help and assist families.
I'd have a very family orientated budget for Australia, and it would work.

LOL, yea cutting unemployment benefits and lifting the GST to 17.5% would really help families, numnut.

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Re: Everything squandered, now a rainy day.
Reply #34 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:13pm

mellie wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:07pm:

Would the $500 million we pledged to Indonesian schools have come in handy now ...had we kept this for a rainy day?

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-generic-blog/gillards-500-million-pledge-for-ind...

That $500 million would have covered the damage done to our sugar industry.

She has no idea!

Roll Eyes

Is it too late to ask for the $500 mil back?

Grin

We know you don't quite understand simple things about foreign relations, so there isn't much point continuing this one.

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Re: Everything squandered, now a rainy day.
Reply #35 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:14pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:13pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:07pm:

Would the $500 million we pledged to Indonesian schools have come in handy now ...had we kept this for a rainy day?

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-generic-blog/gillards-500-million-pledge-for-ind...

That $500 million would have covered the damage done to our sugar industry.

She has no idea!

Roll Eyes

Is it too late to ask for the $500 mil back?

Grin

We know you don't quite understand simple things about foreign relations, so there isn't much point continuing this one.

She just doesn't understand simple things, FULL STOP.

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Re: Everything squandered, now a rainy day.
Reply #36 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:16pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:14pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:13pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:07pm:

Would the $500 million we pledged to Indonesian schools have come in handy now ...had we kept this for a rainy day?

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-generic-blog/gillards-500-million-pledge-for-ind...

That $500 million would have covered the damage done to our sugar industry.

She has no idea!

Roll Eyes

Is it too late to ask for the $500 mil back?

Grin

We know you don't quite understand simple things about foreign relations, so there isn't much point continuing this one.

She just doesn't understand simple things, FULL STOP.

The poor girl Sad

Maybe we should just give her a toffy apple and let her sit there for a few hours and eat it...

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Re: Everything squandered, now a rainy day.
Reply #37 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:21pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:08pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:01pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:51pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

Same old story, money pissed down the drain on totally useless projects.

I have no hesistation in paying the Governments as little as possible - all they do is waste it so what's the point.

Look after yourself first and foremost.

What happened to your idea about subsidising electricity payments?

That's not waste.
That's helping ordinary families.

Before making baseless statements you still have to actually talk about the design of your subsidy thought bubble. Because the way you have described it, it is a complete waste.

The subsidy in its nature would be an easing of cost of living pressure on family budgets paid for by removal of Government waste and unnecessary welfare spending.

There would be areas to be looked at -

1) I'd freeze public sector pay to inflation only.
2) I'd increase GST to 17.5%
3) I would cut unemployment benefit
4) I would removal Government waste on public sector projects

It would be a subsidy designed to help and assist families.
I'd have a very family orientated budget for Australia, and it would work.

1. You haven't answered how you will control the cost of electricity rising, eventuating in the subsidy becoming quite useless in helping people with living costs.

2. How much will the levy be?

3. So basically you would increase a tax to hand a little back? Genius.

No I would increase sales tax as part of an overall tax strategy designed to cut direct income tax and plug the revenue gap that would entail.

At this point in time Australia has much higher levels of direct income tax than other countries and much lower sales tax.
That needs to be addressed.

Australia also has high levels of unnecessary public welfare.

I'd probably leave healthcare alone but that is an area which has absurd amount of waste.
A more privatised transport system would be beneficial.

Basically things that can be run by private businesses instead of public ones can be first cars off the block.

In light of knowing your views about welfare I'd rather not ask what you believe to be "unnecessary."

instead I'll just assume that your "subsidy" will be exactly like the coalition's 5cent petrol excise subsidy that was meant to mean so much to working families.

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Re: Everything squandered, now a rainy day.
Reply #38 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:28pm

mellie wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:07pm:

Would the $500 million we pledged to Indonesian schools have come in handy now ...had we kept this for a rainy day?

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-generic-blog/gillards-500-million-pledge-for-ind...

That $500 million would have covered the damage done to our sugar industry.

She has no idea!

Roll Eyes

Is it too late to ask for the $500 mil back?

Grin

Charity begins at home... and it was irresponsible to donate $500 mil (we really didn't have) to another country's schools, when we are struggling to find the funds to sustain our own.

What a mess, say what you like, scream it from the tallest tree, but I think it's clear, Gillard is on her last legs.

I can hear the roar of excitement now, the day Abbott comes in.

By this time, even your watermelon Labor supporters will be cheering, because they like to eat too.

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Re: Everything squandered, now a rainy day.
Reply #39 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:30pm

mellie wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:28pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:07pm:

Would the $500 million we pledged to Indonesian schools have come in handy now ...had we kept this for a rainy day?

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-generic-blog/gillards-500-million-pledge-for-ind...

That $500 million would have covered the damage done to our sugar industry.

She has no idea!

Roll Eyes

Is it too late to ask for the $500 mil back?

Grin

Charity begins at home... and it was irresponsible to donate $500 mil (we really didn't have) to another country's schools, when we are struggling to find the funds to sustain our own.

What a mess, say what you like, scream it from the tallest tree, but I think it's clear, Gillard is on her last legs.

I can hear the roar of excitement now, the day Abbott comes in.

By this time, even your watermelon Labor supporters will be cheering, because they like to eat too.

Perhaps we are struggling to find the funds ourselves because of our overflowing middle class welfare?

Foreign relations are imperative to the success of this country, especially with it comes to the Howard-created security issues with terrorism, and also the fact that we are not self-sustaining. And guess what, foreign friends are NOT free.

Go read up and find out that Indonesia has the number 1 terrorism deterrent program, which very much assists Australia in our security. Now work out why it is imperative we keep them as an ally, and why we support them in their program with funding we provide to other areas where they struggle.

So, if you worry about terrorism, which I'm sure you do as you are a coalition partisan loony, then perhaps try to understand what this $500m actually does.

Of course for me, I am also happy knowing my government is being a responsible world neighbour and assisting another country to develop themselves, to open up new emerging markets and assist us in long-term prosperity.

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Reply #41 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:33pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:21pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:08pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:01pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:51pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

Same old story, money pissed down the drain on totally useless projects.

I have no hesistation in paying the Governments as little as possible - all they do is waste it so what's the point.

Look after yourself first and foremost.

What happened to your idea about subsidising electricity payments?

That's not waste.
That's helping ordinary families.

Before making baseless statements you still have to actually talk about the design of your subsidy thought bubble. Because the way you have described it, it is a complete waste.

The subsidy in its nature would be an easing of cost of living pressure on family budgets paid for by removal of Government waste and unnecessary welfare spending.

There would be areas to be looked at -

1) I'd freeze public sector pay to inflation only.
2) I'd increase GST to 17.5%
3) I would cut unemployment benefit
4) I would removal Government waste on public sector projects

It would be a subsidy designed to help and assist families.
I'd have a very family orientated budget for Australia, and it would work.

1. You haven't answered how you will control the cost of electricity rising, eventuating in the subsidy becoming quite useless in helping people with living costs.

2. How much will the levy be?

3. So basically you would increase a tax to hand a little back? Genius.

No I would increase sales tax as part of an overall tax strategy designed to cut direct income tax and plug the revenue gap that would entail.

At this point in time Australia has much higher levels of direct income tax than other countries and much lower sales tax.
That needs to be addressed.

Australia also has high levels of unnecessary public welfare.

I'd probably leave healthcare alone but that is an area which has absurd amount of waste.
A more privatised transport system would be beneficial.

Basically things that can be run by private businesses instead of public ones can be first cars off the block.

In light of knowing your views about welfare I'd rather not ask what you believe to be "unnecessary."

instead I'll just assume that your "subsidy" will be exactly like the coalition's 5cent petrol excise subsidy that was meant to mean so much to working families.

This assumption would be about as well thought-out an assumption as my school being 'snobby' despite not knowing where or what the school is I suppose?
You know, just a clear stereotype based on errr, nothing.

Anyway, that aside. If you don't think there is considerable welfare waste you need to get your eyes checked.

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Reply #42 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:35pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:33pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:21pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:08pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:01pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:51pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

Same old story, money pissed down the drain on totally useless projects.

I have no hesistation in paying the Governments as little as possible - all they do is waste it so what's the point.

Look after yourself first and foremost.

What happened to your idea about subsidising electricity payments?

That's not waste.
That's helping ordinary families.

Before making baseless statements you still have to actually talk about the design of your subsidy thought bubble. Because the way you have described it, it is a complete waste.

The subsidy in its nature would be an easing of cost of living pressure on family budgets paid for by removal of Government waste and unnecessary welfare spending.

There would be areas to be looked at -

1) I'd freeze public sector pay to inflation only.
2) I'd increase GST to 17.5%
3) I would cut unemployment benefit
4) I would removal Government waste on public sector projects

It would be a subsidy designed to help and assist families.
I'd have a very family orientated budget for Australia, and it would work.

1. You haven't answered how you will control the cost of electricity rising, eventuating in the subsidy becoming quite useless in helping people with living costs.

2. How much will the levy be?

3. So basically you would increase a tax to hand a little back? Genius.

No I would increase sales tax as part of an overall tax strategy designed to cut direct income tax and plug the revenue gap that would entail.

At this point in time Australia has much higher levels of direct income tax than other countries and much lower sales tax.
That needs to be addressed.

Australia also has high levels of unnecessary public welfare.

I'd probably leave healthcare alone but that is an area which has absurd amount of waste.
A more privatised transport system would be beneficial.

Basically things that can be run by private businesses instead of public ones can be first cars off the block.

In light of knowing your views about welfare I'd rather not ask what you believe to be "unnecessary."

instead I'll just assume that your "subsidy" will be exactly like the coalition's 5cent petrol excise subsidy that was meant to mean so much to working families.

This assumption would be about as well thought-out an assumption as my school being 'snobby' despite not knowing where or what the school is I suppose?
You know, just a clear stereotype based on errr, nothing.

Anyway, that aside. If you don't think there is considerable welfare waste you need to get your eyes checked.

I didn't say I didn't think there was wastage in welfare. I said I did not wish to continue because I can only guess what you meant by "waste" in welfare, as opposed to what I mean.

BTW, why do you keep ducking from answering how much the subsidy is, and what you will do to prevent costs from further rising, making the subsidy useless? Seriously man, you should've had this outlined by now! And if you think my assumption was incorrect, then prove me wrong.

And while I may not know your school I clearly said it was a stereotype based on you. In other words, I'm more referring to your belief that you are somehow elite. Which is of course just hilarious, hickory bacon Wink

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Reply #43 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:37pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:33pm:

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I can hear the roar of excitement now, the day Abbott comes in

LOL, there's always at least one idiot who never gets it.
Abbott is about to get dumped as Lib leader, will you be supporting Turnbull, or Hockey? when Abbott is rolled.

I just hope it isn't Robb; just another disaster in the waiting.

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Reply #44 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:41pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:37pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 2:33pm:

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I can hear the roar of excitement now, the day Abbott comes in

LOL, there's always at least one idiot who never gets it.
Abbott is about to get dumped as Lib leader, will you be supporting Turnbull, or Hockey? when Abbott is rolled.

I just hope it isn't Robb; just another disaster in the waiting.

I think there will be 4 candidates stand
Turnbull
Hockey
Robb
Abbott
I think having so many stand will work in either Hockey or Turnbulls favour, one thing I'll put money on now, is that Abbott will run 4th.

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