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Reply #90 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:06pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:05pm:

The subsidy doesn't remove barriers to entry.

That's completely separate - but what you do want to do is encourage other suppliers to enter the market - overseas based suppliers being one example.

In California our energy was put on a market based system where you can trade credits in energy, etc.

Competition, targetted subsidies to certain families, a lifting on coal and gas restrictions, an encouragement to overseas suppliers.

Price is everything, remember that.
That is the way to drive down price.

Your price has been reduced, has it?

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Reply #92 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:08pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:06pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:05pm:

The subsidy doesn't remove barriers to entry.

That's completely separate - but what you do want to do is encourage other suppliers to enter the market - overseas based suppliers being one example.

In California our energy was put on a market based system where you can trade credits in energy, etc.

Competition, targetted subsidies to certain families, a lifting on coal and gas restrictions, an encouragement to overseas suppliers.

Price is everything, remember that.
That is the way to drive down price.

Your price has been reduced, has it?

It's lower than you pay.
Which by the way is pretty much the case for anything as we have discussed.
I live a better lifestyle and a cheaper one than I did in Australia.

We used to pay over $600 per quarter in utilities in Australia to run all our air cons in the house in Melbourne.
In San Diego we run the same sized house at roughly the same level for less than $400,

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Reply #93 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:10pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:08pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:06pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:05pm:

The subsidy doesn't remove barriers to entry.

That's completely separate - but what you do want to do is encourage other suppliers to enter the market - overseas based suppliers being one example.

In California our energy was put on a market based system where you can trade credits in energy, etc.

Competition, targetted subsidies to certain families, a lifting on coal and gas restrictions, an encouragement to overseas suppliers.

Price is everything, remember that.
That is the way to drive down price.

Your price has been reduced, has it?

It's lower than you pay.
Which by the way is pretty much the case for anything as we have discussed.
I live a better lifestyle and a cheaper one than I did in Australia.

We used to pay over $600 per quarter in utilities in Australia to run all our air cons in the house in Melbourne.
In San Diego we run the same sized house at roughly the same level for less than $400,

... but the price is still going up. So again, short term fix. Well done.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Everything squandered, now a rainy day. Reply #94 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:10pm As a benchmark - we have 6 air con units in our house here. We had 5 in Australia. We run a lot of them, sometimes all at once. Yet the cost is lower. Why? Competition, barriers to entry, supply and demand economics.
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Reply #95 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:10pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:08pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:06pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:05pm:

The subsidy doesn't remove barriers to entry.

That's completely separate - but what you do want to do is encourage other suppliers to enter the market - overseas based suppliers being one example.

In California our energy was put on a market based system where you can trade credits in energy, etc.

Competition, targetted subsidies to certain families, a lifting on coal and gas restrictions, an encouragement to overseas suppliers.

Price is everything, remember that.
That is the way to drive down price.

Your price has been reduced, has it?

It's lower than you pay.
Which by the way is pretty much the case for anything as we have discussed.
I live a better lifestyle and a cheaper one than I did in Australia.

We used to pay over $600 per quarter in utilities in Australia to run all our air cons in the house in Melbourne.
In San Diego we run the same sized house at roughly the same level for less than $400,

... but the price is still going up. So again, short term fix. Well done.

So is my salary.
Everything goes up - its called inflation.

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Re: Everything squandered, now a rainy day.
Reply #96 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:11pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:06pm:

Note i can do all this without once needing to resort to personal names etc.

Seen it all before - usually from the chip on the shoulder people who could only get into the type of school I went to by watering the plants.

It's the "Them and Us" syndrome and its alive and well in you my friend.

the snob school, right?

Grin

Can you say "working class" again please... I want a drink...

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Reply #97 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:12pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:10pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:08pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:06pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:05pm:

The subsidy doesn't remove barriers to entry.

That's completely separate - but what you do want to do is encourage other suppliers to enter the market - overseas based suppliers being one example.

In California our energy was put on a market based system where you can trade credits in energy, etc.

Competition, targetted subsidies to certain families, a lifting on coal and gas restrictions, an encouragement to overseas suppliers.

Price is everything, remember that.
That is the way to drive down price.

Your price has been reduced, has it?

It's lower than you pay.
Which by the way is pretty much the case for anything as we have discussed.
I live a better lifestyle and a cheaper one than I did in Australia.

We used to pay over $600 per quarter in utilities in Australia to run all our air cons in the house in Melbourne.
In San Diego we run the same sized house at roughly the same level for less than $400,

... but the price is still going up. So again, short term fix. Well done.

So is my salary.
Everything goes up - its called inflation.

Yes your salary might go up with inflation; but energy prices go up at a higher rate. Energy goes up 6% annually in California. Inflation is at 2.43% or there abouts.

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Re: Everything squandered, now a rainy day.
Reply #98 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:13pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:11pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:06pm:

Note i can do all this without once needing to resort to personal names etc.

Seen it all before - usually from the chip on the shoulder people who could only get into the type of school I went to by watering the plants.

It's the "Them and Us" syndrome and its alive and well in you my friend.

the snob school, right?

Grin

Can you say "working class" again please... I want a drink...

Yeah the school which you have no idea where it is, what it costs, and what its policies are - which you declared was a 'snobby' school.

No different to me thinking your school was like Mad Max, had droo out kids setting fire to cars outside and was full of black people just because it was a Government school.

Stereotyping eh?

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Re: Everything squandered, now a rainy day.
Reply #99 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:15pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:13pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:11pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:06pm:

Note i can do all this without once needing to resort to personal names etc.

Seen it all before - usually from the chip on the shoulder people who could only get into the type of school I went to by watering the plants.

It's the "Them and Us" syndrome and its alive and well in you my friend.

the snob school, right?

Grin

Can you say "working class" again please... I want a drink...

Yeah the school which you have no idea where it is, what it costs, and what its policies are - which you declared was a 'snobby' school.

No different to me thinking your school was like Mad Max, had droo out kids setting fire to cars outside and was full of black people just because it was a Government school.

Stereotyping eh?

Some kids did set fire to cars, and there were a few black students.

But going by the way you are, it had to come from somewhere... I can only figure it's from your snobby school you keep telling all of us about! Another drinking game in the works

Thanks Hickory!

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Reply #100 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:16pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:13pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:11pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:06pm:

Note i can do all this without once needing to resort to personal names etc.

Seen it all before - usually from the chip on the shoulder people who could only get into the type of school I went to by watering the plants.

It's the "Them and Us" syndrome and its alive and well in you my friend.

the snob school, right?

Grin

Can you say "working class" again please... I want a drink...

Yeah the school which you have no idea where it is, what it costs, and what its policies are - which you declared was a 'snobby' school.

No different to me thinking your school was like Mad Max, had droo out kids setting fire to cars outside and was full of black people just because it was a Government school.

Stereotyping eh?

You think you can mention a sentence such as the one below from now on? TRIPLE SHOTS!!!
"I went to a school not many can afford, and I'm a working class man in a working class family."

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Reply #101 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:19pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:41pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:40pm:

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You are seriously the BIGGEST dipshit in this entire forum.

Whilst I agree, Andrei tries very hard too.

Sadly I see you a none more than some uneducated Aussie bogan so I'm afraid your opinion counts for nothing.

poor old jungle Jim never was very good at constructive criticism.

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Re: Everything squandered, now a rainy day.
Reply #102 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:19pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:19pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:41pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:40pm:

Quote:

You are seriously the BIGGEST dipshit in this entire forum.

Whilst I agree, Andrei tries very hard too.

Sadly I see you a none more than some uneducated Aussie bogan so I'm afraid your opinion counts for nothing.

poor old jungle Jim never was very good at constructive criticism.

I just don't really have much time for people I consider below me on so many fronts.

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Reply #103 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:20pm

Anyways, going by what you've just spoken about here we can determine that:
1. You can't get energy prices to decrease, only continue increasing. You would provide a short term fix to this by offering subsidies which manipulate the market for a short time offering "relief" to working families. To do this, you'd increase GST to 17.5%, which doesn' tgive you any extra revenue, and drop out welfare that you don't think is needed. IN turn, you put a cost onto the government that will never be able to be removed, and within a few years will be a huge waste to the budget because it will not offer the relief to people it once was meant to. All because energy costs rise way above inflation and you can't provide a solution to stop that from happening. Especially when you quote California as your "case study," and in California the price increases double the inflation rate annually.

Back to the snobby school for you my Hickory Friend! And please stay away from any government.

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Reply #104 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:20pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:19pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:19pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:41pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:40pm:

Quote:

You are seriously the BIGGEST dipshit in this entire forum.

Whilst I agree, Andrei tries very hard too.

Sadly I see you a none more than some uneducated Aussie bogan so I'm afraid your opinion counts for nothing.

poor old jungle Jim never was very good at constructive criticism.

I just don't really have much time for people I consider below me on so many fronts.

Name 1.

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