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Reply #30 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 5:23pm

No problems with private school funding. can you please however not include into this theory that public school kids receive more from the federal government than private school kids? It isn't true. And as I've mentioned before, if we take Howard at his word for why private funding was increased, then introduce a different system that actually allows ALL kids the same financial support from the FEDERAL government

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oh yes it is...

you see more kids go to public schools than private.and sadly people like on here who begrudge anyone earning over $50.000 a helping hand, even their children. more and more will be stretching the class rooms in public schools.as people are finding it harder and harder to just pay their utility bills.. this will become the case.

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Reply #31 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 5:27pm

cods wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:25pm:

Why do you find it necessary to shout at us hysterically in large print buzz?
Of course, if you are under some visual disability, recently acquired, please accept my apology.

at least he forgot to push the pink button....

yeah it could be an eyesight thing..he printed up some very very naughty pictures they even shocked a few of his lefty mates.

and we know how hard that is to do!

Low cods very low, you didn't seem to mind as per your comments.
I had hoped you had left this cheap point scoring behind you.

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Reply #32 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 5:56pm

We hear a lot about 'queue jumpers' from right whingers...

But they don't seem to see much of a problem with the Federal Govt helping - subsidising even - the select few to jump queue when it comes to hospital waiting lists...

How can it be, that: -

* The degree of medical disability, pain and/or suffering doesn't determine health funding and over-ride all other considerations in treatment waiting time priorities!?

* Reverse-means-testing has crept in to fund WEALTHfare for the select few - over Welfare for the under-privileged majority!?

* That the Govt subsidises PRIVATE INSURANCE POLICIES for instant 'luxuries' such - as massages, homeopathy, exercise classes, non-essential dental services and plastic surgery - rather than boosting public hospital and dental funding to provide prompt basic medical care for the truly needy!?

As for Private School subsidies - where do the get off using CONSOLIDATED Federal TAX revenue, to DISproportionatel- fund the spoilt brats of divisive elitists, anti-public school ideologists and religious dogmatists!?

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vegitamite Ex Member	Re: What will Gillard slash? Reply #33 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 6:17pm First to go on my list would be the Baby Bonus and First Home Buyers Grant.
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Reply #34 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 6:44pm

ALP Left figure warns Julia Gillard against hitting families with welfare cuts

JULIA Gillard has been warned from within her own party against punishing families to make short-term budget savings, amid speculation welfare cuts are being considered.

Senior Labor Left figure Doug Cameron told The Australian Online this morning that there would be “significant interest” from the party's backbench about the impact of any welfare changes.

“One of the problems generally in Australian politics has been short-termism,” Senator Cameron said.

“I hope the party leadership don't take a short term view on welfare reform on the basis of balancing the budget.

“There has to be a long-term approach to welfare reform which is about looking after those who can't look after themselves.”

Speculation is mounting that the government is considering welfare cuts to pay for disaster reconstruction, including cuts to the education tax rebate and family tax benefits.

Senator Cameron said he was not opposed to reforms which “made things better”, but too often they had made things worse.

“Unfortunately reform in Australian politics has been about making things worse in the past,” he said.

“As long as it's about making things better, it's about reform. I'm particularly interested in making sure that we not only have a strong economy but a good society.”

The Gillard government is facing opposition to its $1.8 billion flood levy from the Tony Abbott-led Coalition, which argues reconstruction money should come entirely from savings measures.

Senator Cameron said Labor must not abandon those who needed help from the government.

“It's clear to me that we need to as a party continue to recognise that we live in a society, not just an economy. Wink

“And that we need to build a good society and protect those who can't protect themselves is part of a good society,” he said.

The Australian Council of Social Services today warned against cuts to family payments to meet disaster reconstruction costs.

ACOSS chief executive Dr Cassandra Goldie said now was not the time to cut essential social services.

However, the rebuilding effort did provide an opportunity to remove poorly targeted expenditure.

“We do believe that there is wasteful spending in the budget and that this is an opportunity to remove some of the poorly targeted expenditure within the federal budget,” she said.

Dr Goldie nominated the scrapping of the education tax rebate as one possible measure.

She also called for an increase to the dole of $50, saying the Newstart allowance was nearly impossible to live off and worked out as a payment of about $33 a day. Wink

The union movement has pushed for a lift to the unemployment benefit in its federal budget submission.

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Re: What will Gillard slash?
Reply #35 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 9:16pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:35pm:

Verge wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:07pm:

Please delete wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:50pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:28pm:

Taking a contrary view to many of you, I see the health insurance rebate as very like c'wealth funding of private schools - very necessary & equitable.
People who choose not to avail themselves of the public hospital system, like those who choose not to use private schools, are still entitled to a share of the tax revenue which they contribute and which should not go exclusively to the public sector.

There's another one - subsidies to the wealthy private schools, who simply don't need the money.

Why doesnt every parent deserve the right to have their school funded whether its private or public? After all they are paying taxes like the rest of us.

Private schools take the burden of the public system, and per child receive far less than a public school. If you would like we could cut it to zero and watch a bulging public system burst at the seams.

No problems with private school funding. can you please however not include into this theory that public school kids receive more from the federal government than private school kids? It isn't true. And as I've mentioned before, if we take Howard at his word for why private funding was increased, then introduce a different system that actually allows ALL kids the same financial support from the FEDERAL government.

Really, because state schools enrol 68% of students and receive
75% of total public funding for schools, while Catholic and
Independent schools enrol 32% of students and receive 25% of
total public funding.

In 2007, NON-GOVERNMENT SCHOOL STUDENTS RECEIVE MUCH LESS
THAN GOVERNMENT SCHOOL STUDENTS
Australian Governments spend more than an average of $10 700 per
annum per government school student, and $6054 on average per
non-government school student.
EVERY CHILD IN A NON-GOVERNMENT SCHOOL SAVES THE TAXPAYER MONEY
The annual savings to governments in Australia from the education of students in non-government schools is approximately $5.1 billion.

So to deathhorse, go blow a goat, if thats not taking the burden off the system I dont know what is.

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Reply #36 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 9:39pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 5:22pm:

cods wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 5:16pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:56pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:28pm:

Taking a contrary view to many of you, I see the health insurance rebate as very like c'wealth funding of private schools - very necessary & equitable.
People who choose not to avail themselves of the public hospital system, like those who choose not to use private schools, are still entitled to a share of the tax revenue which they contribute and which should not go exclusively to the public sector.

I'm thinking of setting up my OWN private police force
NATURALLY, I will want THIS segment of my GST retuned as a rebate
The SAME for my taxes that pay for public transport - should I stop using the system
The Government should subsidise my motor scooter

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so apart from GST what taxes do you pay exactly.??.

Much the same as YOU, I assume
I paid the FULL rate of income tax, as a FULL TIME worker, over almost 40 years
I am now a SELF FUNDED semi-retiree, who works part time

so why make stupid statements then.. so you have a medicare card?

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Re: What will Gillard slash?
Reply #37 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 9:41pm

Verge wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 9:16pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:35pm:

Verge wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:07pm:

Please delete wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:50pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:28pm:

Taking a contrary view to many of you, I see the health insurance rebate as very like c'wealth funding of private schools - very necessary & equitable.
People who choose not to avail themselves of the public hospital system, like those who choose not to use private schools, are still entitled to a share of the tax revenue which they contribute and which should not go exclusively to the public sector.

There's another one - subsidies to the wealthy private schools, who simply don't need the money.

Why doesnt every parent deserve the right to have their school funded whether its private or public? After all they are paying taxes like the rest of us.

Private schools take the burden of the public system, and per child receive far less than a public school. If you would like we could cut it to zero and watch a bulging public system burst at the seams.

No problems with private school funding. can you please however not include into this theory that public school kids receive more from the federal government than private school kids? It isn't true. And as I've mentioned before, if we take Howard at his word for why private funding was increased, then introduce a different system that actually allows ALL kids the same financial support from the FEDERAL government.

Really, because state schools enrol 68% of students and receive
75% of total public funding for schools, while Catholic and
Independent schools enrol 32% of students and receive 25% of
total public funding.

In 2007, NON-GOVERNMENT SCHOOL STUDENTS RECEIVE MUCH LESS
THAN GOVERNMENT SCHOOL STUDENTS
Australian Governments spend more than an average of $10 700 per
annum per government school student, and $6054 on average per
non-government school student.
EVERY CHILD IN A NON-GOVERNMENT SCHOOL SAVES THE TAXPAYER MONEY
The annual savings to governments in Australia from the education of students in non-government schools is approximately $5.1 billion.

So to deathhorse, go blow a goat, if thats not taking the burden off the system I dont know what is.

Bollox - that is just the usual pro-privatisation claptrap - it does not take into account the gross inefficiencies and waste associated with unnecessary duplication, by the so-called 'private' and 'independent' schools sector - of existing public school grounds, facilities, staff and equipment - for a relatively small national population over a vast land mass...

As a matter of interest, where is the evidence that the small shift of students out of the public sector throughout the Howardian Era led to a DISPROPORTIONATE drop in public school running costs - and associated funding!?

In particular, where are the economies of scale in those hundreds of tiny pseudo-private schools that popped up all around the country during Howard's period of wanton capital largess!?

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Re: What will Gillard slash?
Reply #38 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 9:44pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 5:27pm:

cods wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:25pm:

Why do you find it necessary to shout at us hysterically in large print buzz?
Of course, if you are under some visual disability, recently acquired, please accept my apology.

at least he forgot to push the pink button....

yeah it could be an eyesight thing..he printed up some very very naughty pictures they even shocked a few of his lefty mates.

and we know how hard that is to do!

Low cods very low, you didn't seem to mind as per your comments.
I had hoped you had left this cheap point scoring behind you.

smithy you are getting so sentistive leave it out love it doesnt become you!

cheap point scoring how come????

I wouldnt have said it if it wasnt true..how is that scoring points?

but then you probably didnt find the picture naughty.. a tad dirty perhaps.

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Reply #39 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 9:53pm

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First to go on my list would be the Baby Bonus and First Home Buyers Grant.

and paid maternity leave to the tune of basic weekly wages...

I dont get that I dont get anywhere near that..and neither do a lot of others..

stop babying this generation stop letting them think they are entitled to something for nothing..its a madness tell the union to shut up.

some want to see health benefits cut.. a good one I would say health is not in the least important is it..then they whinge about private schools getting something... god forbid we should educate our kids in a diverse society lets all look and act the same for gods sake..a bit like Bunnings stores all the same.all reading the same book at the same time..

another good one.

dont lets stop ministers tripping round the globe doing basically nothing ... hasnt stopped any floods or fires or cyclones.. that I can see.. so what benefit there is from all those expensive trips I will never know..

stop buying votes.

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Reply #40 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 10:00pm

cods wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 9:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 5:27pm:

cods wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 4:25pm:

Why do you find it necessary to shout at us hysterically in large print buzz?
Of course, if you are under some visual disability, recently acquired, please accept my apology.

at least he forgot to push the pink button....

yeah it could be an eyesight thing..he printed up some very very naughty pictures they even shocked a few of his lefty mates.

and we know how hard that is to do!

Low cods very low, you didn't seem to mind as per your comments.
I had hoped you had left this cheap point scoring behind you.

smithy you are getting so sentistive leave it out love it doesnt become you!

cheap point scoring how come????

I wouldnt have said it if it wasnt true..how is that scoring points?

but then you probably didnt find the picture naughty.. a tad dirty perhaps.

Your right Cods
Back to the arrogant lefty smartass as from now
Grin

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Reply #41 - Feb 7^th, 2011 at 10:34pm

cods wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 9:53pm:

Quote:

First to go on my list would be the Baby Bonus and First Home Buyers Grant.

and paid maternity leave to the tune of basic weekly wages...

I dont get that I dont get anywhere near that..and neither do a lot of others..

stop babying this generation stop letting them think they are entitled to something for nothing..its a madness tell the union to shut up.

some want to see health benefits cut.. a good one I would say health is not in the least important is it..then they whinge about private schools getting something... god forbid we should educate our kids in a diverse society lets all look and act the same for gods sake..a bit like Bunnings stores all the same.all reading the same book at the same time..

another good one.

dont lets stop ministers tripping round the globe doing basically nothing ... hasnt stopped any floods or fires or cyclones.. that I can see.. so what benefit there is from all those expensive trips I will never know..

stop buying votes.

1st of all as the Liberals like to remind us union membership is stagnet or has fallen over the last decade or more.There is no genX/Y
union as far as I know.

But other than that I agree,but they are focusing on the wrong thing because the elephant is too big.
They keep throwing money at the "cost of living" Baby Bonus,FHB, Priv Med etc.
When the real cost of living is home mortgages.
If basically 1 persons income and 99% of the time it's the major income of the home is going out just to pay for the roof every week well of course everything else in life becomes harder to afford.Even if as Andrei says $150k is middle income (it's going to have to be rather than the reality of around 60K)
Quick example 400K loan 80K deposit over 25 years at the current interest rate(variable) = $581.35 p/week $2325.37 p/month.
Which would be an average loan from area it's a lot bigger loan the closer to the capitals.
We need to let the market right itself otherwise we are just running in the hamster wheel.Never getting anywhere
People say move to the outskirts but even the outskirts your looking at 350K for a reno or 379 for a SMALL house and postage stamp in the new suburb with no public transport links or other infrastructure.So there's a car loan at least, no 2 in all probability becuase both have to work on top of the roof lets be genorous and say another $150 p/week on top,
And those towns even further out in my area have housing shortages due to mines prices get just as expensive.
Keating should have stuck with getting rid of neg gearing
Howard should have abolished or left the FHB at 7 instead of doubling it.
Two painful but aceptable chances
Now to be fair maybe the problem has got to big and all we can do to prevent unacceptable hardship to the economy IS subsidise everything else.

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Reply #42 - Feb 8^th, 2011 at 7:51am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 10:34pm:

cods wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 9:53pm:

Quote:

First to go on my list would be the Baby Bonus and First Home Buyers Grant.

and paid maternity leave to the tune of basic weekly wages...

I dont get that I dont get anywhere near that..and neither do a lot of others..

stop babying this generation stop letting them think they are entitled to something for nothing..its a madness tell the union to shut up.

some want to see health benefits cut.. a good one I would say health is not in the least important is it..then they whinge about private schools getting something... god forbid we should educate our kids in a diverse society lets all look and act the same for gods sake..a bit like Bunnings stores all the same.all reading the same book at the same time..

another good one.

dont lets stop ministers tripping round the globe doing basically nothing ... hasnt stopped any floods or fires or cyclones.. that I can see.. so what benefit there is from all those expensive trips I will never know..

stop buying votes.

1st of all as the Liberals like to remind us union membership is stagnet or has fallen over the last decade or more.There is no genX/Y
union as far as I know.

But other than that I agree,but they are focusing on the wrong thing because the elephant is too big.
They keep throwing money at the "cost of living" Baby Bonus,FHB, Priv Med etc.
When the real cost of living is home mortgages.
If basically 1 persons income and 99% of the time it's the major income of the home is going out just to pay for the roof every week well of course everything else in life becomes harder to afford.Even if as Andrei says $150k is middle income (it's going to have to be rather than the reality of around 60K)
Quick example 400K loan 80K deposit over 25 years at the current interest rate(variable) = $581.35 p/week $2325.37 p/month.
Which would be an average loan from area it's a lot bigger loan the closer to the capitals.
We need to let the market right itself otherwise we are just running in the hamster wheel.Never getting anywhere
People say move to the outskirts but even the outskirts your looking at 350K for a reno or 379 for a SMALL house and postage stamp in the new suburb with no public transport links or other infrastructure.So there's a car loan at least, no 2 in all probability becuase both have to work on top of the roof lets be genorous and say another $150 p/week on top,
And those towns even further out in my area have housing shortages due to mines prices get just as expensive.
Keating should have stuck with getting rid of neg gearing
Howard should have abolished or left the FHB at 7 instead of doubling it.
Two painful but aceptable chances
Now to be fair maybe the problem has got to big and all we can do to prevent unacceptable hardship to the economy IS subsidise everything else.

I thought it was the states who doubled it, or topped it up at least?

Plus Rudd did a triple for new homes and double for existing.

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Reply #43 - Feb 8^th, 2011 at 9:23am

Verge wrote on Feb 8^th, 2011 at 7:51am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 10:34pm:

cods wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 9:53pm:

Quote:

First to go on my list would be the Baby Bonus and First Home Buyers Grant.

and paid maternity leave to the tune of basic weekly wages...

I dont get that I dont get anywhere near that..and neither do a lot of others..

stop babying this generation stop letting them think they are entitled to something for nothing..its a madness tell the union to shut up.

some want to see health benefits cut.. a good one I would say health is not in the least important is it..then they whinge about private schools getting something... god forbid we should educate our kids in a diverse society lets all look and act the same for gods sake..a bit like Bunnings stores all the same.all reading the same book at the same time..

another good one.

dont lets stop ministers tripping round the globe doing basically nothing ... hasnt stopped any floods or fires or cyclones.. that I can see.. so what benefit there is from all those expensive trips I will never know..

stop buying votes.

1st of all as the Liberals like to remind us union membership is stagnet or has fallen over the last decade or more.There is no genX/Y
union as far as I know.

But other than that I agree,but they are focusing on the wrong thing because the elephant is too big.
They keep throwing money at the "cost of living" Baby Bonus,FHB, Priv Med etc.
When the real cost of living is home mortgages.
If basically 1 persons income and 99% of the time it's the major income of the home is going out just to pay for the roof every week well of course everything else in life becomes harder to afford.Even if as Andrei says $150k is middle income (it's going to have to be rather than the reality of around 60K)
Quick example 400K loan 80K deposit over 25 years at the current interest rate(variable) = $581.35 p/week $2325.37 p/month.
Which would be an average loan from area it's a lot bigger loan the closer to the capitals.
We need to let the market right itself otherwise we are just running in the hamster wheel.Never getting anywhere
People say move to the outskirts but even the outskirts your looking at 350K for a reno or 379 for a SMALL house and postage stamp in the new suburb with no public transport links or other infrastructure.So there's a car loan at least, no 2 in all probability becuase both have to work on top of the roof lets be genorous and say another $150 p/week on top,
And those towns even further out in my area have housing shortages due to mines prices get just as expensive.
Keating should have stuck with getting rid of neg gearing
Howard should have abolished or left the FHB at 7 instead of doubling it.
Two painful but aceptable chances
Now to be fair maybe the problem has got to big and all we can do to prevent unacceptable hardship to the economy IS subsidise everything else.

I thought it was the states who doubled it, or topped it up at least?

Plus Rudd did a triple for new homes and double for existing.

Well throw Rudd in there under Howard, it just proves the point of governments propping up the bubble to avoid the political fallout of house prices coming back to a reasonable level.

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