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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Paradigms Reply #45 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 9:29pm Postmodernism is a philosophy of relativism and critique. By its very nature it can't reject anything nor accept anything. - Axle Hmm .. sounds like agnostic heaven lol
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Axle Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107	Re: Paradigms Reply #46 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 8:21pm I always knew agnostics had a nice place to go to- sort of, I can't really be certain, maybe not but then again .....
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Paradigms Reply #47 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 8:26pm LMAO!! Ok so you're an agnostic! I've got a question for you: isn't all this uncertainty destabilizing? At times it can come across as some profound fear in making a decision .. like being stuck in "perpetual procrastination" mode. It must be so frustrating.
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Axle Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107	Re: Paradigms Reply #48 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 8:34pm Not at all. I see Agnostics as the Democrats when it comes to theology. Agnostics keep the bastards on either side of the fence honest. One can be agnostic on some issues. So, it doesn't follow that they can't make a decision on any.
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Reply #49 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 8:50pm

Axle wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 8:34pm:

Not at all. I see Agnostics as the Democrats when it comes to theology. Agnostics keep the bastards on either side of the fence honest. Cool

One can be agnostic on some issues. So, it doesn't follow that they can't make a decision on any.

But you're either Agnostic or you're not .. right?

What you're inferring is that you can be Agnostic whenever you feel like it as if it's some tap which turns on and off many times during the day.

Oh and incidentally .. this discussion is now taking me back to my University days at a time when I was studying Philosophy (Sartre in particular) for some reason.

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Reply #50 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 8:59pm

You sound like Plato and Aristotle rolled up into one. Like Plato you seem to believe in absolutes and like Aristotle you're using his logic.

However, the point remains, you can be Agnostic on some issues and not on others. It's a question of whether you believe that an answer can be forthcoming for the issue at hand. In respect of whether there is a God , an agnostic doesn't believe that we can ever know this. Well, not while we're still walking around on this planet. Wink

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Paradigms Reply #51 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 9:06pm You sound like Plato and Aristotle rolled up into one. Like Plato you seem to believe in absolutes and like Aristotle you're using his logic. - Axle Is there a problem with that? Aristotle was Plato's prize student after all lol
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Axle Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107	Re: Paradigms Reply #52 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 9:12pm We can't dispense with logic but thinking in absolutes isn't ideal for every issue or problem.
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Reply #53 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 9:17pm

We can't dispense with logic but thinking in absolutes isn't ideal for every issue or problem.

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Ok. I follow this.

Now could you explain to me again .. how is it that a Theist is a Theist non stop all day every day full stop yet an Agnostic can chop and change?

And .. are Atheists like Agnostics in this way?

And how does this affect the respective paradigms under which each "species" functions?

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Reply #54 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 9:30pm

How is an Agnostic chopping and changing when it comes to God? As I said earlier, an Agnostic doesn't believe we can know whether there is a god or not. An Atheist doesn't believe there is one. How is s(h)e chopping and changing?

Why do you think that a person being Agnostic with respect to a god would influence other problems or issues that they come across? It's simply not the case.

How does your theism influence your acceptance or rejection of quantum mechanics? I'd think you'd just accept the facts regardless of your belief, right?

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Paradigms Reply #55 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 9:33pm Axle wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 9:30pm: An Atheist doesn't believe there is one. How is s(h)e chopping and changing? Not chopping and changing... Just walking across an abyss in zero gravity.
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Reply #56 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 9:37pm

Axle wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 9:30pm:

How is an Agnostic chopping and changing when it comes to God? As I said earlier, an Agnostic doesn't believe we can know whether there is a god or not. An Atheist doesn't believe there is one. How is s(h)e chopping and changing?

Why do you think that a person being Agnostic with respect to a god would influence other problems or issues that they come across? It's simply not the case.

How does your theism influence your acceptance or rejection of quantum mechanics? I'd think you'd just accept the facts regardless of your belief, right?

So let me get this right .. reading your posts .. you're saying that Agnosticism is NOT some general paradigm within which Agnostics function/interpret the world.

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Reply #57 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 9:48pm

Earlier in this thread , I stated that paradigm is being used loosely in this thread. The concept of paradigms emerged in the debates in the history and philosophy of science.

You're using paradigm as substitute for attitude, I assume.

On that basis, being an agnostic with respect to God doesn't necessarily mean that it's a general attitude to everything. That's the problem with an absolutist way of thinking. It assumes essences.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Paradigms Reply #58 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 9:53pm Ok .. I follow this. How do you use/define "paradigms"? Oh and for me a paradigm = a system of beliefs under which we function and interpret the world (very basically put of course).
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Reply #59 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 10:02pm

How is an Agnostic chopping and changing when it comes to God? As I said earlier, an Agnostic doesn't believe we can know whether there is a god or not. An Atheist doesn't believe there is one. How is s(h)e chopping and changing?

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Well .. take a look at this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_theism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

Like I said .. chopping and changing lol Tongue

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