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Re: Australia PM introduces contentious floods tax
Reply #75 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:16pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:08pm:
mellie wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 5:54pm:
Buzz has the classic socialist welfare mentality thingy happening ....Tax is ok, so long as he doesn't have to pay it.





We paid $8k per month Buzz.
Did you?





Not to the
AUSTRALIAN Tax Office
, you didn't
You often bragged LONG ago that you only paid tax on the first $30K
The rest of it went to the
British Government






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Reply #76 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:26pm
 
The only people not-complaining are those naive to the penny pinching ways of a Labor government.

Those who stand to give more than they are likely to receive in return for this imposed charity tax.

If our government wont even disclose ALL of what has been donated to date, then how is it we can be sure, this tax is even necessary, much less justified?

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Reply #77 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:46pm
 
mellie wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:16pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:03pm:
mellie wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 5:54pm:
Buzz has the classic socialist welfare mentality thingy happening ....Tax is ok, so long as he doesn't have to pay it.





Would you put a PENSIONER in that same basket ?
I paid my designated rate of income tax over 37 years of FULL-TIME employment





But I bet you would be complaining if you had to fork out for it now, this and were still paying tax.

This and had a family to provide for at the same time.

Fact is... it was unnecessary, this government thinks little of family's and middle income earners.






For CHRIST' sake


It's
TWENTY CENTS a DAY
for "middle income earners"



It's a slice of bread, for someone on $60 -65K pa

It's not ABOUT money or family budgets




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Reply #78 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 9:39pm
 
For someone who earns  $100k, it's $1000 they could have spent on their kids come Xmas time, and or getting them back off to school for the new year.

You mean to tell me, that someone on an average (household) income / wage during these harsh times would have gladly donated $1000/ to a squandering Bligh government?

The answer to this question is no, they wouldn't have which is why Gillard imposed the tax in the first place, however small it seems.

The point is, it wasn't necessary, the levy could have been tapped from a hollow-log elsewhere, there was simply no need for Gillard to penny pinch this and expect victims of disaster to fund their own charity.


Also....the math isn't adding up...

$100,000 p/a times 1% tax = $1,000....yes?

There are 52 weeks in the year , so $1,000 divided by 52 = $20 per week, not the $5 p/w Gillard is telling us it will be.

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Some of you may think $100k is allot, and so shouldn't begrudge paying $1000...  though what if only one parent is working, and you have 4 kids?

This and you are trying to pay a mortgage, run a couple of cars, pay private health and school...rady ra ra

What a crock of sh*t Roll Eyes

For those interested in calculating their levy....

http://www.treasury.gov.au/contentitem.asp?NavId=002&ContentID=1949

But I'd run in past your accountant to be sure...  Tongue
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Re: Australia PM introduces contentious floods tax
Reply #79 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 10:15pm
 


buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:46pm:
mellie wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:16pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:03pm:
mellie wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 5:54pm:
Buzz has the classic socialist welfare mentality thingy happening ....Tax is ok, so long as he doesn't have to pay it.




Would you put a PENSIONER in that same basket ?
I paid my designated rate of income tax over 37 years of FULL-TIME employment





But I bet you would be complaining if you had to fork out for it now, this and were still paying tax.

This and had a family to provide for at the same time.

Fact is... it was unnecessary, this government thinks little of family's and middle income earners.




For CHRIST' sake


It's
TWENTY CENTS a DAY
for "middle income earners"



It's a slice of bread, for someone on $60 -65K pa

It's not ABOUT money or family budgets





Yer, it seems that certain people are both comprehension-challenged and mathematically-deficient...

So, I'll post the official table - which includes a calculation for the $100K threshold (somebody hasn't figured out that the first $50,000 of everyone's income is exempt and that the 0.5% rate applies to the next $50K, with the 1% rate only kicking for the income component over and above $100K)...

http://www.treasury.gov.au/documents/1949/PDF/Flood_Levy_Fact_Sheet.pdf
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Reply #80 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 10:35pm
 
I know what the official table spells-out, but myself and a few others seem to think the numbers aren't quite adding up...

I am not an accountant, so will await educated feedback, but really, unless you are one yourself, this and are certain the table is correct,  then it might be best to wait and see.

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Reply #81 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 10:35pm
 
mellie wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 9:39pm:
For someone who earns  $100k, it's $1000 they could have spent on their kids come Xmas time, and or getting them back off to school for the new year.

You mean to tell me, that someone on an average (household) income / wage during these harsh times would have gladly donated $1000/ to a squandering Bligh government?

The answer to this question is no, they wouldn't have which is why Gillard imposed the tax in the first place, however small it seems.

The point is, it wasn't necessary, the levy could have been tapped from a hollow-log elsewhere, there was simply no need for Gillard to penny pinch this and expect victims of disaster to fund their own charity.


Also....the math isn't adding up...

$100,000 p/a times 1% tax = $1,000....yes?

There are 52 weeks in the year , so $1,000 divided by 52 = $20 per week, not the $5 p/w Gillard is telling us it will be.

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Some of you may think $100k is allot, and so shouldn't begrudge paying $1000...  though what if only one parent is working, and you have 4 kids?

This and you are trying to pay a mortgage, run a couple of cars, pay private health and school...rady ra ra

What a crock of sh*t Roll Eyes

For those interested in calculating their levy....

http://www.treasury.gov.au/contentitem.asp?NavId=002&ContentID=1949

But I'd run in past your accountant to be sure...  Tongue





God
Where do I START ?


Firstly, the average Australian income is $65,000 pa, not $100,000
$100,000 up, is in the top 5-10% of salary earners

The AVERAGE wage earner will pay ZERO on the first $50K and 0.5% on the rest

Or
$1.44 a week


The top salaries will pay ZERO on the first $50k, 0.5% up to $100k and 1% on anything over

The levy on $100K is
$4.81 per week
, or  about $250 a year (not $1000)




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Reply #82 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 10:41pm
 
ALSO noteworthy, is the value of the levy is a SMALL fraction (10 to 20%) of the value of the
last round of tax CUTS
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Reply #83 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 10:42pm
 
If the average Australian income is $50 -$60k, then this would apply to a family, whereby only one parent is working, who earns say ....$100 to $120k right? The average family income being $100k to $120k, irrespective of whether or not both parents are working.

So again, Gillards not taking family's into consideration, particularly those family's dependent on a single income.

It's a one size fits all 'unnecessary' tax, irrespective of who you are, and or how many kids you have.



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Reply #84 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 10:43pm
 


Crikey, no wonder that Howard and Costello left the country with such a huge structural deficit - cos right whingers can't comprehend basic maths and tax structures...

I reckon that my 12 (nearly 13) year old son could read the wording above the table and readily work out how much someone on $100K would have to pay!

Come to think of it, the maths is so basic that he could have done it in primary school - so it would seem that many right whinging voters don't comprehend anything that stretches beyond the Year 6 maths curriculum...

Little wonder that they are so readily sucked-in by the voodoo economics propaganda of the Libs - they can't think for themselves...

Seriously, how do some of these people check their own payslips - how would they know if they were being ripped off by their employers!?

How do they even number their HoR preferences from 1 to 7 (or whatever) on their ballot papers come election time!?



PS Apparently, they're not real good at working out what ordinary households earn either - even though there's ABS data out there.  I suppose that reading simple tables is beyond most of them too!?


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Reply #85 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 10:55pm
 
Anyway, this is what others, including MP's have had to say about it..

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/levy-has-publics-backing-but-not-mps-2...
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Reply #86 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 10:56pm
 
A person on
$120K a year
will be levied at
$8.65 a week

This person has had
TAX CUTS of $52.88 a week
under this government
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Reply #87 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 10:59pm
 
Equ, you are quick with the snide remarks, but other than this, you don't really lend this topic any great depth, rather egg others on to abuse others.

Don't get me wrong, I find you entertaining, albeit trite and simplistic, but It would be nice if you could add some semblance of discussion to the topic at hand.

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Reply #88 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 11:03pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 10:56pm:
A person on
$120K a year
will be levied at
$8.65 a week

This person has had
TAX CUTS of $52.88 a week
under this government


Either way, it's the principle of the thing, and I don't think Australians should be taxed thrice, (donation, tax, food prices) particularly those who may have already donated to the flood relief fund of their own free will.

She's double dipping, and I don't think it's fair when we could have found the levy elsewhere, ie, cutting back on her governments own spending.

Because had they not squandered it to begin with, then we wouldn't be needing to tax anyone.



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Reply #89 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 11:17pm
 
Do you recall that guy who stole just 1 cent off every persons bank account (I think he was a hacker) this and became a millionaire over night?

This is who Gillard reminds me of, and even more so that she isn't prepared to disclose all funding raised to date...re- "private flood donations".

Roll Eyes The question is, can we trust this government to do the right thing with it... given their track record?


Even her own ministers have reservations, and other MP's aren't backing her.
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