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Reply #30 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 8:28am

muso wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 7:41am:

De gustibus non est disputandum.

What Barry's really into is abducting prostitutes and slashing their genitalia with a kitchen knife... Alan reckons he's a sick psychopathic bugger but Barry reckons he's just an average bloke getting his rocks off best way he can on a Saturday night.

I dunno... there's no accounting for taste, I reckon.

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Reply #31 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 9:00am

Mental illness probably deserves another thread. The best we can do is to live our lives in such a way as not to harm others. If there is an individual who obviously doesn't live their life in that way then we need to protect society from that person.

A seed will only grow into a fully formed plant if it's watered and fertilised, but some people are so far gone that that there is nothing that can break through. Others are not. You can't know until you try. I don't think anyone should be given up on, but no one formula is going to work for everybody.

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Reply #32 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:25am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2011 at 11:27pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11^th, 2011 at 10:28pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 11^th, 2011 at 10:07pm:

But atheism is the absence of belief that ANY deities exist.

not according to the dictionary definition Wink

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist

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a·the·ist
/ˈeɪθiɪst/ Show Spelled[ey-thee-ist] Show IPA
–noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Are you SURE about that nails???
Even you're own dictionary definition contradicts you...

"–noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings"

how does it ??

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Reply #33 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:29am

muso wrote on Feb 12^th, 2011 at 10:11pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 12^th, 2011 at 5:03pm:

muso wrote on Feb 12^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11^th, 2011 at 10:28pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 11^th, 2011 at 10:07pm:

But atheism is the absence of belief that ANY deities exist.

not according to the dictionary definition Wink

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist

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a·the·ist
/ˈeɪθiɪst/ Show Spelled[ey-thee-ist] Show IPA
–noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

You see, we all have common ground. TLN has an irrational belief too - Lexicophilia - the belief that the dictionary (any dictionary) will enable us to derive precise meanings for any term, religious included and solve the deepest philosophical quandaries, stop interpersonal conflicts, global nuclear wars and annoying personal itches.

what's the point of debating an issue if you keep wanting to change the meaning of the words to suit your argument ??

Also you should refrain from using fallacies in your replies Sad

The meaning of words like religion, God, believe, etc depend very much on the religious position of that person. A Muslim will define and comprehend these terms differently from an Atheist or a Buddhist.

I used to be an active member of Atheists.com a long time ago, until I realised that I can't take a position on something that is cognitively meaningless to me. These recycled arguments are meaningless too.

Your arguments are not very subtle, and I have a strong feeling that the subtleties of the cosmological argument would be lost on you.

You choose a single definition from a dictionary that usually has many, and you expect everybody else to agree that the definition is the one true definition. It's a dishonest position to argue from. You don't apply your own principles, but expect others to.

If I were a theist, I'd probably give a damn. I was an atheist once, and as I see it, the quality of atheists has gone downhill since then.

"De gustibus non est disputandum" is my personal opinion. A statement like "I believe in God" or "I don't believe in God" has as much relevance to me as "I take two sugars in my coffee".

Belief in God is by necessity a personal thing. I won't debate whether somebody takes two sugars in their coffee or not, and I certainly won't waste my time debating an equally personal position, such as "I believe in God" where God and religion can really be whatever you choose to define them as.

Fallacy of special pleading.

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Rule: Xs are generally Ys.
x is an X.
x is an exception to the rule because it is I (where I is an irrelevant characteristic).
Therefore, x is not a Y.

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Reply #34 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:39am

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12^th, 2011 at 11:58pm:

Lisa,
then you are saying:

If A = B and if B=C then A=C.

The debate then is all about the " if "

- Bobby

NO NO NO!! Before we even get to the "IF" debate .. we need to look at A, B, C a little closer because YOUR construction/perception of A (or B or C) may not equal MY construction/perception of A (or B or C).

This isn't maths Bobby. If only it were ..

I suggest that you keep giving the church money until one day the penny will drop and you will finally realize that you have been ripped off all of these years Wink

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Reply #35 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:43am

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 6:48am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11^th, 2011 at 9:52pm:

Christians are often baffled as to how atheists could deny the existence of their god, Yahweh. But they shouldn’t be. Christians deny thousands of the same gods that atheists deny. Atheists just deny one more god than Christians do (or three, maybe).

You realise that does not make christians athieists, it makes them monotheists.

Thank god they invented velco shoes or you would never be able to go outside. Grin

no it makes them atheists towards other Gods Wink

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Proof that Christians are atheists !! Reply #36 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 11:48am monotheism [ˈmɒnəʊθɪˌɪzəm] n (Christian Religious Writings / Theology) the belief or doctrine that there is only one God monotheist n & adj monotheistic adj monotheistically adv
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Reply #37 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 11:55am

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:29am:

Fallacy of special pleading.

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Form:

Rule: Xs are generally Ys.
x is an X.
x is an exception to the rule because it is I (where I is an irrelevant characteristic).
Therefore, x is not a Y.

Yours is the fallacy of composition (the dictionary fallacy) combined with the fact that you have no idea what I'm arguing for. (the headless chook fallacy)

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103233 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Proof that Christians are atheists !! Reply #38 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 12:15pm Nail, Quote: Christians deny thousands of the same gods that atheists deny. Atheists just deny one more god than Christians do. No one has yet disproved the above statement. Once again Nail is right.
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Reply #39 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 12:36pm

muso wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:29am:

Fallacy of special pleading.

Quote:

Form:

Rule: Xs are generally Ys.
x is an X.
x is an exception to the rule because it is I (where I is an irrelevant characteristic).
Therefore, x is not a Y.

Yours is the fallacy of composition (the dictionary fallacy) combined with the fact that you have no idea what I'm arguing for. (the headless chook fallacy)

Yep you got that right. Your posts don't make any sense.

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30068 Gender:	Re: Proof that Christians are atheists !! Reply #40 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 12:38pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 11:48am: monotheism [ˈmɒnəʊθɪˌɪzəm] n (Christian Religious Writings / Theology) the belief or doctrine that there is only one God monotheist n & adj monotheistic adj monotheistically adv are Christians atheists towards other Gods ??
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Reply #41 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 1:01pm

muso wrote on Feb 12^th, 2011 at 11:35am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 12^th, 2011 at 10:19am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11^th, 2011 at 9:52pm:

Christians are often baffled as to how atheists could deny the existence of their god, Yahweh. But they shouldn’t be. Christians deny thousands of the same gods that atheists deny. Atheists just deny one more god than Christians do (or three, maybe).

Christians deny nothing of god's existence. Their dispute is with the worship of (what they'd term) false gods over their one god. All supernatural faculties attributed to the many gods, for Christians, are all vested in the one... They have more common cause with Muslims and Hindus than atheists, who disbelieve in the proposition that god/s exist.

The Hindu religion was invented by the British Empire when they gave a name to a strange collection of local and national religious and cultural practices and beliefs (mainly cultural practices) which are often in conflict with each other.

I am not sure about that. What about the Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita?

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Reply #42 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 1:04pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 11:48am:

monotheism [ˈmɒnəʊθɪˌɪzəm]
n
(Christian Religious Writings / Theology) the belief or doctrine that there is only one God
monotheist n & adj
monotheistic adj
monotheistically adv

are Christians atheists towards other Gods ??

Christians, are apolytheistic.

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Reply #43 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 1:15pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 12:15pm:

Nail,
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Christians deny thousands of the same gods that atheists deny.
Atheists just deny one more god than Christians do.

No one has yet disproved the above statement.
Once again Nail is right.

As I said before - composition or dictionary fallacy.

# Individual F things have characteristics A, B, C, etc.
# Therefore, the (whole) class of F things has characteristics A, B, C, etc.

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Reply #44 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 1:18pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 11:48am:

monotheism [ˈmɒnəʊθɪˌɪzəm]
n
(Christian Religious Writings / Theology) the belief or doctrine that there is only one God
monotheist n & adj
monotheistic adj
monotheistically adv

are Christians atheists towards other Gods ??

Not really, no.....there is a great difference between not believing in ANY supreme beings (atheists), and considering other supreme beings to be demons, or devils/evil spirits etc ( monotheists)...

Christians believe (or used to) that 'pagan gods', which are basically any gods worshipped by non christians, are all facets of satan, the devil or whatever.....so they technically believe in their existence, just not that they are deities....

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