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Reply #60 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 4:17pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:43am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 6:48am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11^th, 2011 at 9:52pm:

Christians are often baffled as to how atheists could deny the existence of their god, Yahweh. But they shouldn’t be. Christians deny thousands of the same gods that atheists deny. Atheists just deny one more god than Christians do (or three, maybe).

You realise that does not make christians athieists, it makes them monotheists.

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no it makes them atheists towards other Gods Wink

The christian, jews and muslims believe in the same god, so why are only the christian atheist and not the other 2?

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Reply #61 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 4:32pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 3:17pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 3:10pm:

Ahh many thanks Equitist for bringing that contentious topic to my attention.

I've sorted that little discrepancy out now.

>> pensively ponders why it must take a woman to correct/reassure men .. sighs <<

It doesn't....we men just let you THINK it does...LOL (sarcasm)

Hmmm .. is that so lol ???

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Reply #62 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 5:03pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 4:32pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 3:17pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 3:10pm:

Ahh many thanks Equitist for bringing that contentious topic to my attention.

I've sorted that little discrepancy out now.

>> pensively ponders why it must take a woman to correct/reassure men .. sighs <<

It doesn't....we men just let you THINK it does...LOL (sarcasm)

Hmmm .. is that so lol ???

LOL, no, but it sounded good, didn't it???

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Reply #63 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 5:32pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 4:17pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:43am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 6:48am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11^th, 2011 at 9:52pm:

Christians are often baffled as to how atheists could deny the existence of their god, Yahweh. But they shouldn’t be. Christians deny thousands of the same gods that atheists deny. Atheists just deny one more god than Christians do (or three, maybe).

You realise that does not make christians athieists, it makes them monotheists.

Thank god they invented velco shoes or you would never be able to go outside. Grin

no it makes them atheists towards other Gods Wink

The christian, jews and muslims believe in the same god, so why are only the christian atheist and not the other 2?

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what have i stated that is false ??

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Reply #64 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 6:14pm

muso wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 2:31pm:

Equitist wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 1:47pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

It's very hard to be specific about it, since there are as many different versions of christianity, as there are christian churchs......and they all have slightly different beliefs....

It has been a long time since I basically came to the conclusion that: there are as many religions in this world as there are religious people - since each and every religious person both adopts and rejects a range of moral and theological ingredients for their life (and death), according to what most suits their own ego and personal agenda/s, to cook up their own religious recipe...

Only an ignoramus and/or dogmatist would believe otherwise!

Exactly. That sums up how I feel too. I find anti-theists to be as irritating as evangelicals these days.

Atheists and Christians are really not that different. The important thing for me is the thought processes rather than the beliefs.

That's right. Atheists just deny the existence of one more God than Christians do Wink

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Reply #65 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 6:23pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 6:14pm:

muso wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 2:31pm:

Equitist wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 1:47pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

It's very hard to be specific about it, since there are as many different versions of christianity, as there are christian churchs......and they all have slightly different beliefs....

It has been a long time since I basically came to the conclusion that: there are as many religions in this world as there are religious people - since each and every religious person both adopts and rejects a range of moral and theological ingredients for their life (and death), according to what most suits their own ego and personal agenda/s, to cook up their own religious recipe...

Only an ignoramus and/or dogmatist would believe otherwise!

Exactly. That sums up how I feel too. I find anti-theists to be as irritating as evangelicals these days.

Atheists and Christians are really not that different. The important thing for me is the thought processes rather than the beliefs.

That's right. Atheists just deny the existence of one more God than Christians do Wink

I think you're taking Dawkins' little joke more seriously than he did!

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Reply #66 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:05pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 6:23pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 6:14pm:

muso wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 2:31pm:

Equitist wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 1:47pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

It's very hard to be specific about it, since there are as many different versions of christianity, as there are christian churchs......and they all have slightly different beliefs....

It has been a long time since I basically came to the conclusion that: there are as many religions in this world as there are religious people - since each and every religious person both adopts and rejects a range of moral and theological ingredients for their life (and death), according to what most suits their own ego and personal agenda/s, to cook up their own religious recipe...

Only an ignoramus and/or dogmatist would believe otherwise!

Exactly. That sums up how I feel too. I find anti-theists to be as irritating as evangelicals these days.

Atheists and Christians are really not that different. The important thing for me is the thought processes rather than the beliefs.

That's right. Atheists just deny the existence of one more God than Christians do Wink

I think you're taking Dawkins' little joke more seriously than he did!

but it's true though isn't it

LOL

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Reply #67 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:16pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 6:23pm:

I think you're taking Dawkins' little joke more seriously than he did!

but it's true though isn't it

LOL

They're a-polytheists.

All Christians accept the god of all monotheists must be the same... Otherwise you've got two. The argument is not about the existence of the one god, just the nature of the the one god.

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Reply #68 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 11:01am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:16pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 6:23pm:

I think you're taking Dawkins' little joke more seriously than he did!

but it's true though isn't it

LOL

They're a-polytheists.

All Christians accept the god of all monotheists must be the same... Otherwise you've got two. The argument is not about the existence of the one god, just the nature of the the one god.

and the fact they are quite ready to deny the existence of any other God or Gods Wink

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Reply #69 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 12:10pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 11:01am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:16pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 6:23pm:

I think you're taking Dawkins' little joke more seriously than he did!

but it's true though isn't it

LOL

They're a-polytheists.

All Christians accept the god of all monotheists must be the same... Otherwise you've got two. The argument is not about the existence of the one god, just the nature of the the one god.

and the fact they are quite ready to deny the existence of any other God or Gods Wink

It's all a question of semantics and definitions. The Ancient Romans would have classified angels, demons, saints etc etc as deities (gods). Christians don't. The definition of god depends on the religious tradition. In Christianity, it's all very well to believe that other supernatural beings exist. They just reserve the term God for a kind of three-in-one supreme being which is the only one that they worship.

It's a very long bow to draw in comparing them to Atheists, who don't believe in anything that's called god, but they "could" believe in Angels, Astrology, superstition etc.

After all, TLN, if you can use the dictionary, then so can anybody else. I can't find a definition anywhere that says an Atheist is a person who doesn't believe in gods or any other supernatural entities. No, you can't back out of that one.

That's why the term 'atheist' is just not very useful.

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All Christians accept the god of all monotheists must be the same

Not according to my dictionary.

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Reply #70 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 3:32pm

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 12:10pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 11:01am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:16pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 6:23pm:

I think you're taking Dawkins' little joke more seriously than he did!

but it's true though isn't it

LOL

They're a-polytheists.

All Christians accept the god of all monotheists must be the same... Otherwise you've got two. The argument is not about the existence of the one god, just the nature of the the one god.

and the fact they are quite ready to deny the existence of any other God or Gods Wink

It's all a question of semantics and definitions. The Ancient Romans would have classified angels, demons, saints etc etc as deities (gods). Christians don't. The definition of god depends on the religious tradition. In Christianity, it's all very well to believe that other supernatural beings exist. They just reserve the term God for a kind of three-in-one supreme being which is the only one that they worship.

It's a very long bow to draw in comparing them to Atheists, who don't believe in anything that's called god, but they "could" believe in Angels, Astrology, superstition etc.

After all, TLN, if you can use the dictionary, then so can anybody else. I can't find a definition anywhere that says an Atheist is a person who doesn't believe in gods or any other supernatural entities. No, you can't back out of that one.

That's why the term 'atheist' is just not very useful.

My point is that Christians are atheists to all of the other 2800 Gods Wink

If you think that is a moot point then you have to ask Christians why do they deny the existence of these other 2800 Gods when there is no more evidence for the existence of their own God ??

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Reply #71 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 3:44pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 3:32pm:

My point is that Christians are atheists to all of the other 2800 Gods Wink

If you think that is a moot point then you have to ask Christians why do they deny the existence of these other 2800 Gods when there is no more evidence for the existence of their own God ??

I'm getting bored with this. Let's say that a person only worshipped the Christian God but acknowledged that all other gods existed, would that mean that they were not a real Christian? You're making all sorts of general statements about Christians without even looking up Christian in your dictionary. What kind of Lexicophile are you exactly?

Right that's it. No Christmas presents for you Grin

Some Christian texts show evidence of monolatry:

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1 Corinthians 8:4-6 (New International Version)

4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

and henotheism:

Psalm 135.5: Quote:

For I know that the Lord is great, and our Lord is greater than all gods.

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Reply #72 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:56pm

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 12:10pm:

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All Christians accept the god of all monotheists must be the same

Not according to my dictionary.

Yeah, well, yknow... dictionaries!!

"We believe in one god" - the first line of the Nicene Creed...

Anyone who makes that statement is in agreement with all Christians and Christians with them...

The disagreement comes quickly enough after that (the attributes and nature of the one god), but not at the profession of faith in one god itself.

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Reply #73 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:59pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 3:32pm:

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 12:10pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 11:01am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:16pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 10:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 13^th, 2011 at 6:23pm:

I think you're taking Dawkins' little joke more seriously than he did!

but it's true though isn't it

LOL

They're a-polytheists.

All Christians accept the god of all monotheists must be the same... Otherwise you've got two. The argument is not about the existence of the one god, just the nature of the the one god.

and the fact they are quite ready to deny the existence of any other God or Gods Wink

It's all a question of semantics and definitions. The Ancient Romans would have classified angels, demons, saints etc etc as deities (gods). Christians don't. The definition of god depends on the religious tradition. In Christianity, it's all very well to believe that other supernatural beings exist. They just reserve the term God for a kind of three-in-one supreme being which is the only one that they worship.

It's a very long bow to draw in comparing them to Atheists, who don't believe in anything that's called god, but they "could" believe in Angels, Astrology, superstition etc.

After all, TLN, if you can use the dictionary, then so can anybody else. I can't find a definition anywhere that says an Atheist is a person who doesn't believe in gods or any other supernatural entities. No, you can't back out of that one.

That's why the term 'atheist' is just not very useful.

My point is that Christians are atheists to all of the other 2800 Gods Wink

If you think that is a moot point then you have to ask Christians why do they deny the existence of these other 2800 Gods when there is no more evidence for the existence of their own God ??

It makes them a-polytheists, not atheists.

BTW - The Last Nail doesn't exist... There's always another bloody nail!

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