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Feb 12th, 2011 at 11:59am
 
'Appalling' law lets schools expel gay students



A SENIOR Anglican bishop calls it "appalling" and a gay and lesbian rights group condemns it as "deeply offensive", but the Attorney-General, John Hatzistergos, backs a NSW law that allows private schools to expel gay students simply for being gay.

Through a spokesman, Mr Hatzistergos, described the 30-year-old law as necessary "to maintain a sometimes delicate balance between protecting individuals from unlawful discrimination while allowing people to practise their own beliefs".

A relic of the Wran era when homosexuality was still a crime, the law exempts private schools from any obligation to enrol or deal fairly with students who are homosexual. An expulsion requires neither disruption, harassment nor even the flaunting of sexuality. Being homosexual is enough.
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Introducing the little-known law in the early 1980s, the then attorney-general Paul Landa told Parliament: "The facts of political life require acceptance of the claim of churches to conduct autonomous educational institutions with a special character and faith commitment."

But the churches are now divided. The Anglican bishop of South Sydney, Robert Forsyth, told the Herald: "I don't think our schools would want to use it."

The Catholic Archdiocese of Sydney declined to distance itself from the legislation. A spokeswoman said: "The focus for our schools has always been on supporting our students regardless of the circumstances."

Political support may also be fracturing. "It is an unusual provision in this day and age," the shadow attorney-general, Greg Smith, told the Herald.

He cannot speak for his party, only himself. "I personally think it is something that should be reviewed, looked at with a view to perhaps changing it. Times have changed."

The chief executive of ACON, Nicolas Parkhill, condemned the law as "deeply offensive, patently unethical and damaging to our society on multiple levels. Recent research shows that young same-sex-attracted people are up to 14 times more likely to attempt suicide than their heterosexual peers and that 80 per cent of the verbal or physical abuse they experience occurs in schools.

"Allowing religious schools to reinforce this negative experience by giving them the right to expel the victims of homophobic attitudes is incomprehensible."

Although "not untroubled" by the legislation himself, the chief executive of Christian Schools Australia, Stephen O'Doherty, told the Herald the 130-plus low-fee schools in his association saw no reason to ditch the law. Many of the schools regard unrepentant gay students as "disruptive to the religious teaching of the school", he explained. "What we seek to do is to be able to take appropriate action which may include expulsion."

Brigadier Jim Wallace of the Australian Christian Lobby has no qualms about the law. The head of the influential Christian pressure group said a church school should have the right to expel any openly gay child.

"But I would expect any church that found itself in that situation to do that in the most loving way that it could for the child and to reduce absolutely any negative affects.

"I think that you explain: this is a Christian school, that unless the child is prepared to accept that it is chaste, that it is searching for alternatives as well, that the school may decide that it might be better for the child as well that he goes somewhere else. I think it's a loving response."
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Reply #1 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 12:22pm
 
Christians are so exclusive, I don't know how they can call themselves Christian.
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Reply #2 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 12:43pm
 
Greens_win, your thread title is at odds with your opening post.  Also, your opening post is so selectively distorted, as to arrive at, and surpass the point of dishonesty.  Christian schools reserve the right to expel any students for sexual activity, since Christian schools expect abstinence from their students.
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Reply #3 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 12:55pm
 
They'll kick out a kid for being gay, but they turn a blind eye to the child molesting priest. How do they work that out with God?
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Reply #4 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 1:21pm
 
The two issues are unrelated pansi.
Turning a blind eye or covering up child molestation is unconscionable, but it is an example of institutions of several kinds going ino survival or self-protection mode.
A religion-based school which excludes homosexuals because it is contrary to their fundamental beliefs is acting according to the conscience of its creed and should have the freedom to do so.
A society which wants to force people to accept in their own space something they find abhorrent is not a free society.
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Reply #5 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 1:28pm
 
mavisdavis wrote on Feb 12th, 2011 at 12:43pm:
Greens_win, your thread title is at odds with your opening post.  Also, your opening post is so selectively distorted, as to arrive at, and surpass the point of dishonesty.  Christian schools reserve the right to expel any students for sexual activity, since Christian schools expect abstinence from their students.  




Yet a child being gay doesn't require any sexual act. So sex has nothing to do with this. This is homophobic based. How come taxes are given to private schools so they can discriminate on nothing more than a whim.
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Reply #6 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 1:31pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Feb 12th, 2011 at 1:21pm:
The two issues are unrelated pansi.
Turning a blind eye or covering up child molestation is unconscionable, but it is an example of institutions of several kinds going ino survival or self-protection mode.
A religion-based school which excludes homosexuals because it is contrary to their fundamental beliefs is acting according to the conscience of its creed and should have the freedom to do so.
A society which wants to force people to accept in their own space something they find abhorrent is not a free society.



So how do they call themselves christian if the are anti gay considering Jesus was gay. And Jesus never said a bad word about gays.
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Reply #7 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 1:33pm
 
You flaunt in where its flaunting has never been welcome and then huff if they tell you to flaunt it elsewhere - not very sensitive to other people's feelings and views, is it? Quite antisocial, actually.



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Reply #8 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 1:37pm
 
um, like to translate that into english.
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Reply #9 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 1:44pm
 
____ wrote on Feb 12th, 2011 at 1:37pm:
um, like to translate that into english.

To be openly gay in a Catholic school is to be deliberetaly anti-social and self-centred. Catholics don't like the flaunting of any sexuality to begin with, never mind freckle punching. This is not new information for anyone
Not that you disdn't undertsand it already.

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Reply #10 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 1:48pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2011 at 1:44pm:
____ wrote on Feb 12th, 2011 at 1:37pm:
um, like to translate that into english.

To be openly gay in a Catholic school is to be deliberetaly anti-social and self-centred. Catholics don't like the flaunting of any sexuality to begin with, never mind freckle punching. This is not new information for anyone
Not that you disdn't undertsand it already.




So on what do the hierarchy base their gay hate ... by imitating Gay Jesus' life ... by hating the sin and not the sinner.

So prey tell, what is the bases of this hate?

Or is hatred an element that is required for the church to survive. If they can't make out someone else is bad, then they can't pretend they are the goodies.
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Reply #11 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 2:04pm
 
They just don't like freckle punchers to flaunt their weakness for glutei maximi. (Who does?) Look at it as the Catholics' personal preference on the road to self-actualisation and you will not be able to object to it - being who you are, you cannot argue with personal preferences in the pursuit of self-realisation, can you??



Also, they have a set of age-old doctrines about sexuality and marriage and all that stuff. Freckle punching is not even in the fine print as an option.


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Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2011 at 2:04pm:
They just don't like freckle punchers to flaunt their weakness for glutei maximi. (Who does?) Look at it as the Catholics' personal preference on the road to self-actualisation and you will not be able to object to it - being who you are, you cannot argue with personal preferences in the pursuit of self-realisation, can you??



Also, they have a set of age-old doctrines about sexuality and marriage and all that stuff. Freckle punching is not even in the fine print as an option.







Yet what is the bases of the religious hatred of gays. Did God come to Mr Ratslingler in a dream or something?

The religious hatred is there for a reason, yet the reason is more reflective of the crumbling church.


And this age old doctrines, what does this mean.
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And this age old doctrines, what does this mean.


It means it's older than the idea of 'gayness', a fairly recent invention.  It is even older than Ratzinger, if you can get your head around that.
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Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2011 at 2:29pm:
____ wrote on Feb 12th, 2011 at 2:16pm:
And this age old doctrines, what does this mean.


It means it's older than the idea of 'gayness', a fairly recent invention.  It is even older than Ratzinger, if you can get your head around that.




So you mean the old doctrine who sees women as the property of the husband.

How come some of these old doctrines slip ... is it because the church admitted it got it wrong.


So where did these old doctrines come from?
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