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Reply #15 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 11:07pm

I doubt that he lacks confidence Lisa. He could talk an Arab into buying a camel turd.
I also doubt that he would consider marriage ever again.
His life's work has amounted to having little or no further input into his children's upbringing. Money has been made, no need for him anymore..so he was told to toodle off.

Not that I condone his behaviour now, but I can understand why he wouldn't want to be involved too heavily with anybody while he makes his next million and while his ex-wife spends what was once family wealth.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Feminism Reply #16 - Feb 21^st, 2011 at 5:32pm Quote: Why are women in porn she asks? Because men forced them That's more or less true. There would be no porn industry if not for the exploitation of women by men. And, If a person believes that a man and a woman deserve equal rights, then they are a feminist. I'm a feminist. Most of the men in my life are feminists.
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Reply #17 - Feb 21^st, 2011 at 5:37pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 5:32pm:

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Why are women in porn she asks? Because men forced them

That's more or less true. There would be no porn industry if not for the exploitation of women by men.

And,

If a person believes that a man and a woman deserve equal rights, then they are a feminist. I'm a feminist. Most of the men in my life are feminists.

Can you expand on this?

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In the fullness of time...

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Feminism Reply #18 - Feb 21^st, 2011 at 5:43pm Do you believe that a woman deserves the same social, economic and political rights as men? If so, you're a feminist - whether or not you identify as one.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Feminism Reply #19 - Feb 21^st, 2011 at 5:47pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 5:43pm: Do you believe that a woman deserves the same social, economic and political rights as men? If so, you're a feminist - whether or not you identify as one. Doesn't 'feminist' suggest that they put feminine ideals/rights above, not equal to those of men? To me it does....
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Feminism Reply #20 - Feb 21^st, 2011 at 5:59pm Quote: Doesn't 'feminist' suggest that they put feminine ideals/rights above, not equal to those of men? That's hardly equality is it?
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Reply #21 - Feb 21^st, 2011 at 6:02pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 5:59pm:

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Doesn't 'feminist' suggest that they put feminine ideals/rights above, not equal to those of men?

That's hardly equality is it?

No it isn't...hence why I view these movements for 'equality' with a healthy dose of cynicism...everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.

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Reply #22 - Feb 21^st, 2011 at 10:14pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 5:32pm:

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Why are women in porn she asks? Because men forced them

That's more or less true. There would be no porn industry if not for the exploitation of women by men.

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Absolute rubbish.
Where's the personal responsibility?
There is no gun to their head.
If they don't want to be in it, say no. Simple.
Oh, and is $100,000 or more a year exploitation?

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Reply #23 - Feb 21^st, 2011 at 10:41pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 10:14pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 5:32pm:

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Why are women in porn she asks? Because men forced them

That's more or less true. There would be no porn industry if not for the exploitation of women by men.

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Absolute rubbish.
Where's the personal responsibility?
There is no gun to their head.
If they don't want to be in it, say no. Simple.
Oh, and is $100,000 or more a year exploitation?

In the majority of cases, I think you would find that the exploitation of such women started long before they had the presumed power of a woman - and that such early exploitation impacted upon their self esteem and the nature of their relationships and thereby set the subsequent course of their lives...

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Reply #24 - Feb 21^st, 2011 at 11:25pm

Equitist wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 10:41pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 10:14pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 5:32pm:

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Why are women in porn she asks? Because men forced them

That's more or less true. There would be no porn industry if not for the exploitation of women by men.

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Absolute rubbish.
Where's the personal responsibility?
There is no gun to their head.
If they don't want to be in it, say no. Simple.
Oh, and is $100,000 or more a year exploitation?

In the majority of cases, I think you would find that the exploitation of such women started long before they had the presumed power of a woman - and that such early exploitation impacted upon their self esteem and the nature of their relationships and thereby set the subsequent course of their lives...

Regardless if they've had it tough, it's still their responsibility to make decisions to direct their own lives.

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Reply #25 - Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 6:09am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 11:25pm:

Equitist wrote on Feb 21^st, 2011 at 10:41pm:

In the majority of cases, I think you would find that the exploitation of such women started long before they had the presumed power of a woman - and that such early exploitation impacted upon their self esteem and the nature of their relationships and thereby set the subsequent course of their lives...

Regardless if they've had it tough, it's still their responsibility to make decisions to direct their own lives.

Yes we all have to take responsibility for our own actions, although it's nice to have someone or something to blame.

I think it's better for those women who now work in the porn industry or similar - there's not such a stigma attached as there was prior to women's liberation.

In fact from some of the comments you hear - some women actually enjoy that sort of work and that's something they couldn't have admitted 30-40 years ago.

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Reply #26 - Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 7:33am

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In fact from some of the comments you hear - some women actually enjoy that sort of work and that's something they couldn't have admitted 30-40 years ago.

Well there's a refreshing comment.
Who' have thunk that they enjoy sex, getting rich, famous (or infamous, take your pick) and being the centre of attention? All the while, there's a penalty that men have to pay for invoking such behavior.

So what of the female brain? Why do some condone such sexual freedom and expression where others do not?

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Reply #27 - Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 7:50am

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Who' have thunk that they enjoy sex, getting rich, famous (or infamous, take your pick) and being the centre of attention? All the while, there's a penalty that men have to pay for invoking such behavior.

Yes - depending on the age of the provoker. Women, who are in their prime can be susceptible to the same provocation, but usually there's a little alarm that goes off in their head telling them to instantly reject that person sexually. Unfortunately too many males ignore the alarm and that's why they get into trouble.

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So what of the female brain? Why do some condone such sexual freedom and expression where others do not?

I think it all goes back to how you are brought up - and whether you've been indoctrinated into feeling guilt for enjoying something that only bad girls are supposed to like.

With teenagers it's a bit different though. Often - the power of their sexuality goes to their head. Most of them eventually learn not to exploit it.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Feminism Reply #28 - Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 8:16am Quote: Most of them eventually learn not to exploit it. Yes I agree that they learn not to exploit it when they realise that it won't be around forever. Wrinkles appearing and gaining weight are an all too common factor in becoming "responsible". So is it really a factor, or is using what you have got the real factor?
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Reply #29 - Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 8:31am

Amadd wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 8:16am:

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Most of them eventually learn not to exploit it.

Yes I agree that they learn not to exploit it when they realise that it won't be around forever.

Wrinkles appearing and gaining weight are an all too common factor in becoming "responsible".

So is it really a factor, or is using what you have got the real factor?

I think by the mid 20's most women have grown out of taunting men and are looking for something more meaningful in their life. At that age they usually don't have to worry about wrinkles and fat and can still be attractive, although they obviously don't hold the same appeal as a nubile young woman.

Of course there are always exceptions, but as a rule I think women generally strive to become decent people.

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