mantra wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 8:31am:



I also know women who are into their 40's, who continue to choose men who are condescending, controlling and verbally (and eventually, physically) abusive towards them (and often also their children) - and seem determined to undermine their social and financial independence...

These sorts of guys tend to be overly-intrusive in the woman's life - often not content to talk on the phone and insisting upon daily personal contact (and sex) and assuming an automatic right to discipline the woman's children (and lacking the common sense to not compete with the woman's children and to instead build positive relationships of trust with all members of the family and the woman's support network)...

Oh, and what is it with guys, and their insistence on moving electronic devices and/or furniture into the homes of their latest 'love interest' - is it that they are staking a territorial claim and/or cunningly-creating an excuse to remain in a woman's life for as long as they want to (they tend to delay picking their stuff up for weeks after the women ask them to - and the women are reluctant/scared to provoke the men by either returning or getting rid of the stuff themselves)...

Most of these are working women who are otherwise productive and successful in their lives - but it would seem that the old adage rings true in practice, i.e. "all the good men are taken"...

It would seem as though these women are prepared to repeatedly temporarily settle for 'second best' (or worse) and become embroiled in a series of what to outsiders appear to be similarly-dysfunctional relationships from the outset...

This has to be due to the women having low self-esteem and low expectations of men - both of which are learned and reinforced through experience...

Similarly, the guys seem to have a chip on their own shoulders and low expectations of women but high expectations of their ability to 'control' the women's lives (and a sense of entitlement to do so) - all of which are learned and reinforced through experience...

mantra Quote:


Most women ARE decent folk

Machismo or feminism has very little to do with 'equality". They are at either ends of the scale IMO.

So what is "feminism" trying to achieve?
Is it female dominance? I don't think so.

I think that feminism is trying to earn equal respect, but the method employed is entirely wrong IMO.

I'll show you my model of a female equalist. They've been around for years and years - apparently without even realising that they have something owing to those of their own sex.

Check out Mrs. Ayn Rand, a very intriguing woman:

Well said Mantra.
Yes, her philosophy seems a bit impractical to us common folk and we concede that only a select few are granted such selfishness.

But that's not to say that helping one another is not also a selfish or rational choice.
If I passed one beggar each day on the way to work, I might get some personal satisfaction by giving a few bucks now and then.
If I passed by ten beggars, then obviously each beggar would receive less, possibly to the point where I receive no personal satisfaction in giving. In which case, it might be more rational to choose one or two that give something to me personally.
For example, on one of my trips to the U.S., I gave a dollar to a homeless Vietnam vet. He then proceeded to tell me stories of how he fought alongside the aussies and  ..etc .etc.
Maybe his stories were all bs, but it was a memorable experience for the dollar that I wouldn't have given if I needed it to buy a hamburger.

Anyway, I'm rambling off topic. The point was not about what Ayn Rand had to say, it was about how she conducted herself as a free woman.


 

Getting back to your statement, Quote:


Sounds like an oxymoron to me.
What does that mean?

Women find dominant (alpha) males hot

The majority of men aren't alpha, they're beta

Women who fall out of love with their partners destroy the relationship and frequently become vindictive and spiteful

This is why it's necessary for women to be legally, socially, and economically inferior to men

women make useless leaders, engineers, and technicians so the consequences to the economy will be minimal, especially since it will result in a larger workforce in the future (more baby making)

off the top of my head the only manufacturing industries that benefit from women might be jewelry (not talking about design, but small and dextruous fingers) and small-batch electronics production (women are better at manual soldering)

other than that they should just be employed for clerical work, nurturing professions, and decoration

Women should seek to enhance and utilise their own abilities and aptitiudes, rather than trying to emulate those of men.

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 4^th, 2011 at 11:59am:



If you have an aptitude for picking out typos, maybe utilise that and pursue a career as an editor.  Would be a smarter move than trying to prove that 'anything a man can do, a woman can do better' and taking a shot at being a furniture removalist, or other jobs that men have greater aptitudes for.