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Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing
Reply #90 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:24pm

I could eloquently define my culture for you beautifully, at the drop of a hat, but I refuse to be dictated to by an unpatriotic internet troll who intentionally accuses others of being multiple handles for the purpose of harassing genuine posters off the boards.

I have one handle, and to my knowledge, so does Cods... and I feel you may have offended her with your BS.

If this is your idea of winning the war of cyber terror, think again.

And say hi to your new PM Tony Abbott, he is a great bloke and will serve our nation allot better than Gillard has.

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Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing
Reply #91 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:26pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:00pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:52pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:29pm:

Equitist wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:09am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:57am:

Thinking about it, I have only ever been to two funerals in my life.

One of them, bizarrely enough, was for a bloke I have never met.

We arrived in Townsville for a holiday and my wife's great uncle died. I ended up at his funeral. Until we got there and I saw the pic on the front, I didn't even know what he looked like.

It's a sorry state of affairs all around.

I feel sorry for these people but at the end of the day we cannot allow soft factors (as we call them in Finance management) to drive through policies which should be dictated by harder factors and economic argument.

Such is life you know. We can't have everyone in Australia.
These people need to play the hand they were dealt - not move to another table.

If you get my drift.

Yes, I do get your drift - but I doubt you get the ironic flightiness of your own comments...

You are suggesting that these families should have stayed put in a country beset by horrific circumstances - and stayed out of the boats - yet you proudly boast that your own family has country-shopped throughout your lives from a far more safe, prosperous and stable birthplace via planes...

Clearly, in your narrow world, some human beings are more equal than others - and some cannot hope to seek a re-deal because they've been dealt a crap hand of cards at a rigged casino table...

Andre believes our immigration intake should be from

"Commonwealth countries"

But he goes a bit coy when you remind him that

India is a part of that demographic

Buzz, you thick skull, he was referring to the "real commonwealth" nations

Actually, he was referring to the WHITE "Commonwealth nations"
(not that he'd ever ADMIT it)

Please have a look at the racial make up of South Africa and Canada.

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Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing
Reply #92 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:28pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

Equitist wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:35am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:14am:

The comparison would be valid thy if we had gone around turning up in countries without visas and claiming welWEALTHfare from day 1.

At any time in my family history - be it my grandparents move to South Africa, my parents moves to varied places and my own moves to varied places - it has always been skilled, legal migration. Offering skills to the receiving country, paying into the country and adding value.

Not hopping in a boat and turning up without an invite simply because you didn't like where you were born.

The comparison or the attempted one is simply ludicrous.

Hmmnnn....one set of rules for rich, white and Xtian folk, another for poor, dark and/or Muslim folk...

One small elite group can get richer, stuff all the rest - ludicrous!

Rules being -

SKILLS and ADD VALUE

do you think that's why your daddy got the sack?

The pilots were sacked because the Government sold them out.
It had nothing to do with what we are talking about.

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Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing
Reply #93 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:32pm

nichy wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:19pm:

It can be buzz, but I suggest you read 'On Radji Beach', and you just might begin to understand why some Australians are sensitive to certain races.

NO
I CAN'T understand

How ANYONE can hold such HATRED for a new generation of an ENTIRE RACE based on

atrocities committed by a few individuals 70 years ago

ODD ...

We don't seem to have

the same degree of HATRED

towards today's Germans ?

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Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing
Reply #94 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:33pm

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:24pm:

I could eloquently define my culture for you beautifully, at the drop of a hat, but I refuse to be dictated to by an unpatriotic internet troll who intentionally accuses others of being multiple handles for the purpose of harassing genuine posters off the boards.

I have one handle, and to my knowledge, so does Cods... and I feel you may have offended her with your BS.

If this is your idea of winning the war of cyber terror, think again.

And say hi to your new PM Tony Abbott, he is a great bloke and will serve our nation allot better than Gillard has.

but cods, why won't you seriously just explain Australia's, not your, culture? Oh, and values.

Sigh, cods I feel you will never be able to do this. Hence you shouldn't really speak on the subject, or try to defend something you can't even explain. Sad

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Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing
Reply #95 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:33pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

Equitist wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:35am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:14am:

The comparison would be valid thy if we had gone around turning up in countries without visas and claiming welWEALTHfare from day 1.

At any time in my family history - be it my grandparents move to South Africa, my parents moves to varied places and my own moves to varied places - it has always been skilled, legal migration. Offering skills to the receiving country, paying into the country and adding value.

Not hopping in a boat and turning up without an invite simply because you didn't like where you were born.

The comparison or the attempted one is simply ludicrous.

Hmmnnn....one set of rules for rich, white and Xtian folk, another for poor, dark and/or Muslim folk...

One small elite group can get richer, stuff all the rest - ludicrous!

Rules being -

SKILLS and ADD VALUE

do you think that's why your daddy got the sack?

The pilots were sacked because the Government sold them out.
It had nothing to do with what we are talking about.

I think it does. Their skills and limited value to the national economy weren't needed, so we got some better pilots at a better cost. Makes sense totally.

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Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing
Reply #96 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:36pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:26pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:00pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:52pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:29pm:

Equitist wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:09am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:57am:

Thinking about it, I have only ever been to two funerals in my life.

One of them, bizarrely enough, was for a bloke I have never met.

We arrived in Townsville for a holiday and my wife's great uncle died. I ended up at his funeral. Until we got there and I saw the pic on the front, I didn't even know what he looked like.

It's a sorry state of affairs all around.

I feel sorry for these people but at the end of the day we cannot allow soft factors (as we call them in Finance management) to drive through policies which should be dictated by harder factors and economic argument.

Such is life you know. We can't have everyone in Australia.
These people need to play the hand they were dealt - not move to another table.

If you get my drift.

Yes, I do get your drift - but I doubt you get the ironic flightiness of your own comments...

You are suggesting that these families should have stayed put in a country beset by horrific circumstances - and stayed out of the boats - yet you proudly boast that your own family has country-shopped throughout your lives from a far more safe, prosperous and stable birthplace via planes...

Clearly, in your narrow world, some human beings are more equal than others - and some cannot hope to seek a re-deal because they've been dealt a crap hand of cards at a rigged casino table...

Andre believes our immigration intake should be from

"Commonwealth countries"

But he goes a bit coy when you remind him that

India is a part of that demographic

Buzz, you thick skull, he was referring to the "real commonwealth" nations

Actually, he was referring to the WHITE "Commonwealth nations"
(not that he'd ever ADMIT it)

Please have a look at the racial make up of South Africa and Canada.

what is the racial make up of South Africa?

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing Reply #97 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:39pm Hey its great how the hardline dictatorship is so generous to asylum seekers and so heartless to Australians dont you think?
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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14214 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing Reply #98 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:40pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:28pm: The pilots were sacked because the Government sold them out. Just to CLARIFY ... NO pilot was "sacked" They ALL lodged letters of RESIGNATION , when they were knocked back on their TWENTY NINE per cent wage increase demand
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Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing
Reply #99 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:42pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:32pm:

nichy wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:19pm:

It can be buzz, but I suggest you read 'On Radji Beach', and you just might begin to understand why some Australians are sensitive to certain races.

NO
I CAN'T understand

How ANYONE can hold such HATRED for a new generation of an ENTIRE RACE based on

atrocities committed by a few individuals 70 years ago

ODD ...

We don't seem to have

the same degree of HATRED

towards today's Germans ?

Speaking of which, I've been unable to track the heritage of that cold-hearted control-freak Scott Morrison - he does have a certain 'look' about him when he pulls his cunning stunts, does he not!?

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing Reply #100 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:44pm Prevailing wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:39pm: Hey its great how the hardline dictatorship is so generous to asylum seekers and so heartless to Australians dont you think? 9 11 was an inside job anyone? Yes its true - only Governments do Genocide - there are no phantom terrorists.
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Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing
Reply #101 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:44pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:40pm:

NO pilot was "sacked"
They ALL lodged

letters of RESIGNATION

, when they were knocked back on their

TWENTY NINE per cent wage increase demand

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And to just clarify on your clarification -

The wage demand would have put them on a par with their peers in like for like countries and the demands were LESS than those demanded over the same time period by teachers, nurses and industrial workers.

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Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing
Reply #102 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:49pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 4:59pm:

So you disagree with liberal policy, mel?
You dont think refugees should be held in detention?

Come on Skippy...What IS the current Liberal policy in dealing with an orphaned child??

As far as I know, this is the first time the question has come up while Tony Abbott and the current front bench was in the position to make comments...

Don't judge the current Lib team on Howard's team.....because the question never came up then either..Did it???

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Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing
Reply #103 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:50pm

Prevailing wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:39pm:

Hey its great how the hardline dictatorship is so generous to asylum seekers and so heartless to Australians dont you think?

Our federal and state Labor government donates more to other nations flood appeals than it's own, preferring to tax their victims of disaster instead, even when President Obama and the Royal family have already picked up the bill, and been most generous when it came to secreting our Labor squanderers an undisclosed amount of money.

Cool

But keep donating anyway...this and paying your flood tax levy, labor need it to bribe people to vote them back in next time.

Though, I doubt even that will be enough!

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Re: Gillards grieving detention orphan, disturbing
Reply #104 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:56pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:36pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:26pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 1:00pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:52pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 12:29pm:

Equitist wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 11:09am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:57am:

Thinking about it, I have only ever been to two funerals in my life.

One of them, bizarrely enough, was for a bloke I have never met.

We arrived in Townsville for a holiday and my wife's great uncle died. I ended up at his funeral. Until we got there and I saw the pic on the front, I didn't even know what he looked like.

It's a sorry state of affairs all around.

I feel sorry for these people but at the end of the day we cannot allow soft factors (as we call them in Finance management) to drive through policies which should be dictated by harder factors and economic argument.

Such is life you know. We can't have everyone in Australia.
These people need to play the hand they were dealt - not move to another table.

If you get my drift.

Yes, I do get your drift - but I doubt you get the ironic flightiness of your own comments...

You are suggesting that these families should have stayed put in a country beset by horrific circumstances - and stayed out of the boats - yet you proudly boast that your own family has country-shopped throughout your lives from a far more safe, prosperous and stable birthplace via planes...

Clearly, in your narrow world, some human beings are more equal than others - and some cannot hope to seek a re-deal because they've been dealt a crap hand of cards at a rigged casino table...

Andre believes our immigration intake should be from

"Commonwealth countries"

But he goes a bit coy when you remind him that

India is a part of that demographic

Buzz, you thick skull, he was referring to the "real commonwealth" nations

Actually, he was referring to the WHITE "Commonwealth nations"
(not that he'd ever ADMIT it)

Please have a look at the racial make up of South Africa and Canada.

what is the racial make up of South Africa?

80% Black
6% Afrikaner
4% Anglo
8% Coloured
2% Asian

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