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Reply #30 - Feb 17th, 2011 at 11:32pm
 
How many 8 year olds have you seen behave like that at a funeral Philperth?  

I have been to about 8 funerals, and I am yet to see one kid act like that. 

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Reply #31 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 12:40am
 

culldav - good on you for plying the devils advocate.

i think he was just copying what his adult role models do.
if they wanted to be terrorists and islamics, he would too.

send him back.
it was his parents (we are told) decision he came. not ours.
they claim to be not around anymore.
send him back.
he has NO right to be here.
he's not an aussie, he did not arrive acording to our laws.

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Reply #32 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 12:47am
 
as aboriginal i think its best if australia be white man majority land instead of lettin all these brown man in because white man has been good to noongah better than brown man would be.
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Reply #33 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 4:46am
 
culldav wrote on Feb 17th, 2011 at 11:14pm:
I will play the devils advocate here and say I have been to a lot of funerals and not once have I ever seen an 8 year old carry on like that.  Something tells me this was deliberately staged for media attention.




thats a terrible thing to say.. this child lost both parents under the most appalling conditions..I dont understand how anyone can think like that letalone put it up on here. yes I do find middle-easterners react differently to us.. we seem more stoic and sombre does that make us unfeeling with no emotions??

cullday I am sure you got this wrong and I hope like Morrison you are having second thought,

look some tough things get said on here.. but lets leave the kids alone..thats going too far.
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Reply #34 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 4:47am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 12:40am:
culldav - good on you for plying the devils advocate.

i think he was just copying what his adult role models do.
if they wanted to be terrorists and islamics, he would too.

send him back.
it was his parents (we are told) decision he came. not ours.
they claim to be not around anymore.
send him back.
he has NO right to be here.
he's not an aussie, he did not arrive acording to our laws.

bye bye




spring I think you will find most children copy adults.. it doesnt mean they are acting.. shame on you.
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Reply #35 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 4:52am
 
culldav wrote on Feb 17th, 2011 at 11:32pm:
How many 8 year olds have you seen behave like that at a funeral Philperth?  

I have been to about 8 funerals, and I am yet to see one kid act like that.  


How do you think this little boy feels? He's lost both his parents - he's in a strange country away from his friends and family he knows. It wasn't his choice to come here.

Show a little compassion for a child instead of turning everything into a hate fest.

Half the people on this forum weren't born in Australia, so if we have to tolerate you - at least show some tolerance for others new to this country - especially to those who are suffering.

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Reply #36 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 6:03am
 
Yes this culture are more theatrical than westerners who's children generally stand there bowing their heads with their hands behind their backs as the coffin is lowered into the grave, but I think under the circumstances, with him being estranged from his parents, being the only survivor in his immediate family, his mothers body not having been found, mentally, this would have taken it's toll, and god knows what he's endured in detention, displaced, estranged and surrounded by grieving mourning adults crying 24/7. I think even a westerners child would be distraught after having endured these circumstances.
I have only ever been to one funeral where an adult threw themselves into the grave of a small child (baby, a cot death) was my friends now deceased husband who killed himself a couple of weeks later (if that, may have even been a week). But he wasn't quite stable prior to his infant sons death sadly, he suffered with debilitating depression.

As for this little boy mimicking his role-models, from a cultural perspective....perhaps to a degree, but acting?
Most certainly not!

Culldave, what actually concerns me here is that you would think he would be acting, this tells me that for some reason or another you have failed to connect with, or feel empathy for a grieving child.
Your having even questioned this small boys reaction concerns me, particularly with an image as confronting as this.

There's no way this child was acting, and whilst cultural factors may play some part in the grieving process, re- mimicking adults around him which would have defined acceptable grief boundaries, told him what was acceptable...  honestly, I don't think even cultural factors played a part in this instance, the kid is clearly broken, too traumatised to even care about such things as funeral etiquette, he's in a strange country, surrounded by strange people, his parents and siblings are dead, mothers body still hasn't been found, and to think,  here we are months after the tragedy with a state and federal government using it as their venomous campaigns back-drop, as though to say..."See, we are the kinder party"..."We paid for their funerals"...then attempted the shuttle them all off back to the centre, child and all.

I find it disgusting that it's taken our authorities this long to bury these people, this and get this kid out of detention. Sickening actually, and forever will this image of a crying child be impressed in my mind when reflecting on changes this government made to boarder security and refugee policy.








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Reply #37 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 6:21am
 
Sprint and culldave.... when you fell over and hurt yourselves as small children, did your parents comfort you, or did they scold / ridicule you for showing signs of weakness?

You don't have to answer this if you don't want to...I realise it's off topic.
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Reply #38 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 7:12am
 
It's good that the child will be sent to his family in Sydney and not locked up.
If he has no parents in the detention centre, it serves no purpose keeping him there.
What's not good is Labor's initial policy fiddling and gross incompetence, which has led to the boat being where it was in the first place.
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Reply #39 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 7:21am
 
Unlucky for the kid he doesn't have the Chinese government backing his case... Being the bunch of arselickers we are to power, there would be no question that we'd be putting him up at the Ritz.
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Reply #40 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 7:40am
 
The hypocrite known a mellie ans about 6 other nicks wont answer this I've been asking it since before the news of the child's release.

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But you want Abbott to form government, do you agree with Liberal policy?
Labor are not my party, I vote GREENs, and I do not believe in mandatory detention, do you? MELLIE DO YOU????????????????

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She must agree with me, otherwise she'd be nothing but a low life gutter trash hypocrite for even starting the thread.
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Reply #41 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 8:12am
 
mellie wrote on Feb 17th, 2011 at 4:59pm:
OMG!

What sort of government/monster does this to a child?

An orphan at that.

Jeezus

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I don't care if the child come from Mars, humans have a moral responsibility to ensure that the child is given the very best opportunity to learn and grow. Thankfully, the inept bureaucrats have seen the light, only because the matter was taken to the human rights commission by the boys lawyer.

What a travesty this country has become.


I am becoming increasingly ashamed to call myself Australian. Even animals protect their young when they are orphaned, some even become foster parents to different species, and we can't take care of a grieving child.

Shame, Australia, shame.
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Reply #42 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 8:16am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 8:12am:
mellie wrote on Feb 17th, 2011 at 4:59pm:
OMG!

What sort of government/monster does this to a child?

An orphan at that.

Jeezus

Angry



I don't care if the child come from Mars, humans have a moral responsibility to ensure that the child is given the very best opportunity to learn and grow. Thankfully, the inept bureaucrats have seen the light, only because the matter was taken to the human rights commission by the boys lawyer.

What a travesty this country has become.


I am becoming increasingly ashamed to call myself Australian. Even animals protect their young when they are orphaned, some even become foster parents to different species, and we can't take care of a grieving child.

Shame, Australia, shame.



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Reply #43 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 8:18am
 
mellie wrote on Feb 17th, 2011 at 7:12pm:
Cods, good news, public outrage has resulted in this boy being removed from Christmas island ....he's going to be OK now.


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WE ONLY KNOW WE ARE BEING *UNTS WHEN IT'S POINTED OUT TO US. HOW SAD!
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Reply #44 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 8:20am
 
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I AM BLOODY WELL OUTRAGED!!! ANDREI
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