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Reply #75 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 9:14pm
 
muso wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 1:50pm:
A proportinate accommodation of mind and heart .

Metaphysics 101 ................ hmmm.


That's right. I imagine it depends on what proportions one uses.
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Reply #76 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 9:14pm
 
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Who's that grunting? You wonder I didn't go ashore for a howl and a dance? Well, no--I didn't. Fine sentiments, you say? Fine sentiments, be hanged! I had no time. I had to mess about with white-lead and strips of woolen blanket helping to put bandages on those leaky steam-pipes--I tell you. I had to watch the steering, and circumvent those snags, and get the tin-pot along by hook or by crook. There was surface-truth enough in these things to save a wiser man. And between whiles I had to look after the savage who was fireman. He was an improved specimen; he could fire up a vertical boiler. He was there below me, and, upon my word, to look at him was as edifying as seeing a dog in a parody of breeches and a feather hat, walking on his hind-legs. A few months of training had done for that really fine chap. He squinted at the steam-gauge and at the water-gauge with an evident effort of intrepidity--and he had filed teeth too, the poor devil, and the wool of his pate shaved into queer patterns, and three ornamental scars on each of his cheeks. He ought to have been clapping his hands and stamping his feet on the bank, instead of which he was hard at work, a thrall to strange witchcraft, full of improving knowledge. He was useful because he had been instructed; and what he knew was this--that should the water in that transparent thing disappear, the evil spirit inside the boiler would get angry through the greatness of his thirst, and take a terrible vengeance. So he sweated and fired up and watched the glass fear- fully (with an impromptu charm, made of rags, tied to his arm, and a piece of polished bone, as big as a watch, stuck flatways through his lower lip), while the wooded banks slipped past us slowly, the short noise was left behind, the interminable miles of silence--and we crept on, towards Kurtz. But the snags were thick, the water was treacherous and shallow, the boiler seemed indeed to have a sulky devil in it, and thus neither that fire man nor I had any time to peer into our creepy thoughts.
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Reply #77 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 9:38am
 
I think you would have fitted right in during the time of the British Empire.
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Reply #78 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 10:45am
 
muso wrote on Mar 9th, 2011 at 9:38am:
I think you would have fitted right in during the time of the British Empire.



Thank you, I think so, too.

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Reply #79 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 12:09pm
 
Soren wrote on Mar 5th, 2011 at 8:04pm:
Hegel is a very interesting thinker but he is simply too German to be right.


Speaking of being toooo German:

Mother forced by timetable to leave toddler on German train
German railway officials refused to heed a mother's pleas to halt an express with her two-year-old aboard alone – because the train had to run on time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8364641/Mother-forced-b...


Germany is still living with Hitler's legacy.... Or is it Mussolini's?

It is amusing, of course, but there is also something recognisably German in that story. No 'muddling through' for the Krauts, no concessions for the particulars of a situation.
It can't be the potatos and beer - the English and the Irish have no officious, heel-clicking instincts even though they also live on beer and chips. What is is?

If language is the house of being, then perhaps it's the German language. It is a lot easier to sound harsh in German, in a way that is not easy or even possible in other languages.
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Reply #80 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 4:45pm
 
Very true. But what about the Musselmen?

Yallah yallah yallah.
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Reply #81 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 9:33pm
 
It is violence that shapes society

....or is it love???

one or the other
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Reply #82 - Mar 10th, 2011 at 8:02am
 
Soren wrote on Mar 9th, 2011 at 12:09pm:
Soren wrote on Mar 5th, 2011 at 8:04pm:
Hegel is a very interesting thinker but he is simply too German to be right.


Speaking of being toooo German:

Mother forced by timetable to leave toddler on German train
German railway officials refused to heed a mother's pleas to halt an express with her two-year-old aboard alone – because the train had to run on time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8364641/Mother-forced-b...


Germany is still living with Hitler's legacy.... Or is it Mussolini's?

I think it is Kaiser Wilhelm's legacy... And you'd be describing northern Germans more than southern Germans and Austrians.

Soren wrote on Mar 9th, 2011 at 12:09pm:
It is amusing, of course, but there is also something recognisably German in that story. No 'muddling through' for the Krauts, no concessions for the particulars of a situation.

It can't be the potatos and beer - the English and the Irish have no officious, heel-clicking instincts even though they also live on beer and chips. What is is?

With at least one exception, of course, with Cromwell's New Model Army... And what he did with it in Ireland.
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Reply #83 - Mar 11th, 2011 at 2:12am
 
Soren wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 9:12pm:
Yes, yes, yes, the Western, especially the Britannic  system of organizing politics, society and culture are the worst possible except for all the others that are tried from time to time. This is true, even if an Englishman said it (and a non-Marxist Englishman at that).

I am amused by how the knockers of that heritage have retained, through some deft transference,  the Judeo-Christian  notion of original sin: they have shifted their guilt from their passé  Adamite inheritance to their Britannic one.  But the reflex rending of the clothes, the ready denunciation, the unshakable conviction in the sin of their forebears is all there, present and correct.



Not me, I'm a Paki. Our system is much better than the Britainnik one. We have raki, sodomy and the rattan. We also have nuclear bomb, but we only use against that bastard India.

Oh, and we love the Englishman. Very nice tea and good cricket! Like Australia, we are all a parts of the Britannik Commonwealth. We are all brothers and sister together, my friend.
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Reply #84 - Mar 11th, 2011 at 2:26pm
 


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Reply #85 - Mar 11th, 2011 at 3:23pm
 
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 9th, 2011 at 9:33pm:
It is violence that shapes society

....or is it love???

one or the other


Did you want a philosopher's answer to that? Er.... castration anxiety  yes that's it.  It's all driven by minimising fear.  Tongue
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Reply #86 - Mar 11th, 2011 at 8:42pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2011 at 2:12am:
Soren wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 9:12pm:
Yes, yes, yes, the Western, especially the Britannic  system of organizing politics, society and culture are the worst possible except for all the others that are tried from time to time. This is true, even if an Englishman said it (and a non-Marxist Englishman at that).

I am amused by how the knockers of that heritage have retained, through some deft transference,  the Judeo-Christian  notion of original sin: they have shifted their guilt from their passé  Adamite inheritance to their Britannic one.  But the reflex rending of the clothes, the ready denunciation, the unshakable conviction in the sin of their forebears is all there, present and correct.



Not me, I'm a Paki. Our system is much better than the Britainnik one. We have raki, sodomy and the rattan. We also have nuclear bomb, but we only use against that bastard India.

Oh, and we love the Englishman. Very nice tea and good cricket! Like Australia, we are all a parts of the Britannik Commonwealth. We are all brothers and sister together, my friend.



You Muslim buggers are still stuck in the dark ages of the enslavement of mind and spirit. You treat anyone turning his mind or heart away from Islam as a slave to be hunted down and killed.  Just because you can hold a tea cup or cricket bat does not mean you are not savages.  Your metaphysic explains your contempt for each other. Tea and cricket is a cover up knowingly deployed.



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Reply #87 - Mar 11th, 2011 at 11:54pm
 
Soren wrote on Mar 11th, 2011 at 8:42pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2011 at 2:12am:
Soren wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 9:12pm:
Yes, yes, yes, the Western, especially the Britannic  system of organizing politics, society and culture are the worst possible except for all the others that are tried from time to time. This is true, even if an Englishman said it (and a non-Marxist Englishman at that).

I am amused by how the knockers of that heritage have retained, through some deft transference,  the Judeo-Christian  notion of original sin: they have shifted their guilt from their passé  Adamite inheritance to their Britannic one.  But the reflex rending of the clothes, the ready denunciation, the unshakable conviction in the sin of their forebears is all there, present and correct.



Not me, I'm a Paki. Our system is much better than the Britainnik one. We have raki, sodomy and the rattan. We also have nuclear bomb, but we only use against that bastard India.

Oh, and we love the Englishman. Very nice tea and good cricket! Like Australia, we are all a parts of the Britannik Commonwealth. We are all brothers and sister together, my friend.



You Muslim buggers are still stuck in the dark ages of the enslavement of mind and spirit. You treat anyone turning his mind or heart away from Islam as a slave to be hunted down and killed.  Just because you can hold a tea cup or cricket bat does not mean you are not savages.  Your metaphysic explains your contempt for each other. Tea and cricket is a cover up knowingly deployed.





In summary what you are saying is that the Corporate Slave Tyranny (CST) operating in the USA is based on the Quran?
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Reply #88 - Mar 12th, 2011 at 12:07am
 
muso wrote on Mar 11th, 2011 at 3:23pm:
Foolosophy wrote on Mar 9th, 2011 at 9:33pm:
It is violence that shapes society

....or is it love???

one or the other


Did you want a philosopher's answer to that? Er.... castration anxiety  yes that's it.  It's all driven by minimising fear.  Tongue



Sheesh .. is that condition in ANY way related to penis envy in any way? Just asking only coz I was accused of having it a few times yesterday Tongue
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Reply #89 - Mar 12th, 2011 at 12:18am
 
Perhaps we ought to discuss this further .. hmmm I wonder if Relationships is the correct forum for this.
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