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Re: Libs Want Grazing in National Parks
Reply #15 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 9:10am

cods wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 9:04am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:34am:

cods wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:24am:

cods wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 7:57am:

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Libs Want Grazing in National Parks

If it were up to me I would let the Libs graze in national parks, particularly the retired ones.

I could easily picture Amanda, John, Peter and Alexander out in the fields heads down bums up munching on various grasses and weeds.

While this would no doubt have a negative impact on tourism I feel that they have earned the right and are clearly deserving of this concession.

so you dont like my idea of the greens cleaning it all up???.. what a shame but have to admit not in the least unexpected...hahahahahahaha

you also have to admit its the greens that stopped all the burning off.. so why pick on the Libs..

its about time you faced it we cant have aour cake and eat it as well.. some things have to be done.. its a fact of life.. keep banging your head on a wall only gives you a headache and makes a hole in the wall.

Yeah this lie was run after the Vic Bushfires & was proven false.
But don't let that stop you from spreading it again, people may have forgotten besides falsehoods like this help maintain the rage.

so who stopped the burning off??????? our Stromlo forest was razed to the ground after the fires of 2003.. what they found was disgraceful

Yes, this is simply a lie that the greenies didn`t prevent precautionary burning off. This is another spun up propoganda type BS exercise. My husband is in the Rural Rire Brigade, and greeny interferance WAS RESPONSIBLE for great loss. Greenies are, above all things, LIARS!

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Re: Libs Want Grazing in National Parks
Reply #16 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 9:11am

cods wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 9:04am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:34am:

cods wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:24am:

cods wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 7:57am:

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Libs Want Grazing in National Parks

If it were up to me I would let the Libs graze in national parks, particularly the retired ones.

I could easily picture Amanda, John, Peter and Alexander out in the fields heads down bums up munching on various grasses and weeds.

While this would no doubt have a negative impact on tourism I feel that they have earned the right and are clearly deserving of this concession.

so you dont like my idea of the greens cleaning it all up???.. what a shame but have to admit not in the least unexpected...hahahahahahaha

you also have to admit its the greens that stopped all the burning off.. so why pick on the Libs..

its about time you faced it we cant have aour cake and eat it as well.. some things have to be done.. its a fact of life.. keep banging your head on a wall only gives you a headache and makes a hole in the wall.

Yeah this lie was run after the Vic Bushfires & was proven false.
But don't let that stop you from spreading it again, people may have forgotten besides falsehoods like this help maintain the rage.

so who stopped the burning off??????? our Stromlo forest was razed to the ground after the fires of 2003.. what they found was disgraceful

Who stopped the burning off???????
No-One, to be able to burn off the conditions need to be in the safe range, not too hot, not too windy & the right amount of humidity otherwise your controlled burn becomes a bush fire.
With a small window of opportunity, massive landmass to regulate & only a very small force of volunteers to actually get the job done(weekends only mind you) they fell behind that's it, no one said you have to stop fuel load reduction burns as you like to put out there.

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Re: Libs Want Grazing in National Parks
Reply #17 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 9:11am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:34am:

cods wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:24am:

cods wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 7:57am:

Quote:

Libs Want Grazing in National Parks

If it were up to me I would let the Libs graze in national parks, particularly the retired ones.

I could easily picture Amanda, John, Peter and Alexander out in the fields heads down bums up munching on various grasses and weeds.

While this would no doubt have a negative impact on tourism I feel that they have earned the right and are clearly deserving of this concession.

so you dont like my idea of the greens cleaning it all up???.. what a shame but have to admit not in the least unexpected...hahahahahahaha

you also have to admit its the greens that stopped all the burning off.. so why pick on the Libs..

its about time you faced it we cant have aour cake and eat it as well.. some things have to be done.. its a fact of life.. keep banging your head on a wall only gives you a headache and makes a hole in the wall.

Yeah this lie was run after the Vic Bushfires & was proven false.
But don't let that stop you from spreading it again, people may have forgotten besides falsehoods like this help maintain the rage.

Greens policy ...

The Greens believe that living with bushfire threat requires a coordinated approach that includes:

planning of housing sites to avoid development in risk prone areas;

strategically planned hazard reduction, including controlled burning, where and when climatic conditions allow it to be done safely and where it is consistent with maintaining the ecosystem;

education and community awareness programs to reduce the incidence of arson; and

a well funded and managed fire fighting service which can protect human life and homes and contain the spread of fires

http://nsw.greens.org.au/sites/greens.org.au/files/policydownloads/Bush%20Fire%2...

The

MYTH

has been perpetuated mostly by shire councils, Australia wide, in an attempt to shift the blame ...

... with a simplistic - AND QUITE FALSE -

"the greens won't let us"

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Reply #18 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 9:14am

mavisdavis wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:57am:

National Parks are a breeding ground for noxious plants and feral animals. Before mounting the high horse of false morality, the discussion needs to be realistic and sensible, not neurotic and scatter brained.

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A long decline and degradation of ecosystems in many protected areas, including problems with invasive weeds and feral animals does NOT need the introduction , & effects that grazing cattle will have , on top of an already sensitive system.

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Reply #19 - Mar 1^st, 2011 at 9:16am

mavisdavis wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:57am:

National Parks are a breeding ground for noxious plants and feral animals. Before mounting the high horse of false morality, the discussion needs to be realistic and sensible, not neurotic and scatter brained.

Lol

I am conflicted by National Parks.

I live surrounded completely by Marramarra and Muogamarra Parks north of Sydney. This talk of burning off all the time ignores the difficulty of actually doing that task - last winter, very little got burnt off becasue the conditions didn't come together.

To talk of casually burning off a few thousand hectares is so naive.

Cattle won't solve that problem either, so to suggest that grazing is a substitute for controlled burns is simply wrong.

I wonder whether the policy of locking parks up so completely is wrong. Where I live, they encourage tourists to visit the area, but there are only a few access points, which get totally choked with traffic, leaving nowhere to "enjoy" - no picnic areas, no cleared areas, very few tracks.

Would it be so bad to drive some more roads in and create some access points? Bobbin Head is nice, but the NPWS treat it as a private asset, charging entry fees everyone who dares to want to enjoy an asset owned by the public.

I've even heard that NPWS staff have had weddings and parties in Muogamarra - which is totally locked from public access 99.9% of the time - you can only enjoy it under escort (it's not a National Park, but an older entity). Is that fair?

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Re: Libs Want Grazing in National Parks
Reply #20 - Mar 20^th, 2011 at 1:49pm

Cattle ordered out of Victorian Alps

Fri Mar 18, 2011

Federal Environment Minister Tony Burke has given the Victorian Government until April 8 to get cattle out of the Alpine National Park.

The Ted Baillieu-led government reintroduced cattle grazing into the park in January to test if grazing cuts down the bushfire risk.

But Mr Burke has lashed out at the State Government and says the matter should first have been referred for Federal Government approval.

He says if the State Government does not take the cattle out in time and refer the plan for his approval, the Federal Government will act anyway.

"Every Australian company knows they're not above national law. Victoria decided maybe they were, well they're now in for a shock. They're not above the law and by April 8 the cattle will be out and the matter will be referred," he said.

He described the Victorian Government's responses to his department's requests for information about the trial as "a joke".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/18/3167797.htm

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48834 At my desk.	Re: Libs Want Grazing in National Parks Reply #21 - Mar 20^th, 2011 at 2:01pm Reminds me of Russel Coight's adventure in the 'delicate alpine grasses.'
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