Prior to the creation of the modern state of Israel (in 1948), Jews and Muslims (and Arabs prior to Islam) lived together for 1000's of years.

Tell me bob, if a people, let's say Muslims, booted most Aussies from their homes, and turned Australia into a state exclusively for Muslims, do you think the average Aussie might hate Muslims a bit? Many Aussies already hate Muslims merely for being different to them, imagine if we booted them out of their homes.

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 7^th, 2011 at 6:01pm:


i understand were your coming from abu rashid, i dont necessary agree with israel, bbut what i mean is the sterotypes that jews control the world, theyre evil, all they want is money, they cant be trusted, and the stereo type that all muslims are terrorist now i no thats not true. i ve done abit research on the innternet and it seems this has been going on for ever

by the way in no way am i trying to attack youre religion

Bobby. wrote on Mar 7^th, 2011 at 7:44pm:



smack that, they breed like rabbits - promise them 100km of land and they'll feel entitled take the lot...

bob,

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I don't think anyone can deny that there's a very disproportionate amount of Jews in very high places in many countries around the world. We need look no further than our own government, and the immense influence that Zionist lobby groups have within it, especially in light of the recent events like the deposing of Rudd and the rise of Gillard (a public  Zionist sympathiser). And our government doesn't even come close to the U.S and their subservience to groups like AIPAC.

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This is one of the most commonly peddled myths. Supposedly (according to late night TV evangelists anyway), this is an age old battle between the "Sons of Israel & the Sons of Ishmael". This is just nonsense. The conflict did not begin until the early 20th. century when European Jews began writing books detailing their plan to expel the Arabs from their land and turn it into a Jewish state. When Britain invaded and occupied it during WWI that became a reality, and the conflict was born. This conflict is very recent, and it was specifically engineered by the British.

As the British Prime Minister from the begining of the Zionist colonisation project stated:

“There are people who control spacious territories teeming with manifest and hidden resources. They dominate the intersections of world routes. Their lands were the cradle of human civilizations and religions. These people have one faith, one language, one history and the same aspirations. No natural barriers can isolate these people from one another… if per chance, this nation were to be unified into one state, it would then take the fate of the world into its hands and would separate Europe from the rest of the world. Taking these considerations seriously, a foreign body should be planted in the heart of this nation to prevent the convergence of its wings in such a way that it could exhaust its powers in never-ending wars. It could also serve as a springboard for the West to gain its coveted objects." (Sir Henry Campbell-Bannerman)

This is not an ongoing problem or an accident or a natural culmination of people's aspirations, it's a very cold, calculated state of affairs, that was deliberately brought about, in order for Britain, and later the U.S, to fulfill their foreign policy goals in the region.

Prior to the 20th. century, Jews were a tiny minority in Palestine, as they were in all Arabic countries. We are told the British merely tried to reconcile the differences between two people living in a land, but in fact they brought most of the Jews to the land, there not there before the 1900's.

Curtin had already made up his mind that there would be no such settlement, but that did not deter the ACTU from continuing to press the government. Then on March 31, 1943, when Edward James Holloway was a senior minister in the Curtin Government, he wrote in his personal capacity to Ernest Bevin, then Minister for Labour in the British Cabinet, saying: 'Dr Steinberg's mission to Australia was to establish a Jewish settlement in the unoccupied north-west. The proposed settlement was to be on the lines of the splendid agricultural settlement in Palestine. The Federal Government were giving favourable consideration to the proposal when the war put all projects, other than war, aside.' I am not so sure that the Menzies or Fadden governments ever gave any favourable consideration to the proposition.

Steinberg left Australia in June, 1943, and two months later he wrote to Curtin from Toronto, Canada, urging him to take a personal initiative in hastening his government's decision on the scheme. In the course of his letter, Steinberg said: 'I hope you will not mind if I permit myself to address you this time in a private, informal way. There are some problems concerning the most intimate needs of people that should be considered not as mere political or economic questions but as problems of our common social and moral conscience. It seems, then, that the best way to discuss them is not on the political field, but if possible, from man to man.' Steinberg said that the happiest part of his experience in Australia had been the expressions of sympathy and support he received from members of the Labor Party.

Curtin replied to Steinberg: 'The Commonwealth Government sympathizes with the serious plight of your people in Europe. It will be appreciated, however, that the whole question of immigration into Australia, particularly having regard to the conditions that will exist at the conclusion of hostilities, is one that requires to be fully explored from all aspects. Plans are at present in progress to set up a committee to study various phases of general problems and until recommendations are made by that body, the government is not in a position to formulate a definite policy.'

I was present, as Minister for Information, at a subsequent Cabinet meeting when Curtin appointed an inter-departmental committee to study immigration problems. The committee later opposed the Kimberleys project, and Curtin wrote to Steinberg: 'After mature consideration of all the circumstances ... the government is unable to see its way to depart from the long-established policy in regard to alien settlement in Australia.' Therefore, he said, the government could not entertain 'the proposal for a group settlement of the exclusive type contemplated by the Freeland League.'

However, the ACTU and church leaders continued to support the scheme, and nothing daunted, Steinberg appeared at the first United Nations conference in San Francisco in May, 1945, and took the opportunity to raise the pressing problem of Jewish homelessness before world opinion. He submitted a memorandum to all the delegations at the conference, and he specifically made contact with the leader of the Australian delegation, Mr Frank Forde, who was then Deputy Prime Minister. Forde assured Steinberg that he would discuss the matter fully and favorably with Prime Minister Curtin when he arrived back in Australia. Two months later, Curtin died and Forde succeeded him as Prime Minister for seven days. Forde then wrote to the Freeland League as Prime Minister: 'With reference to your personal representation to me in San Francisco for reconsideration of the government's decision against allowing a Jewish settlement to be established in the Kimberleys district or in some other undeveloped part of Australia, I desire to inform you that further careful consideration has been given to the matter. It has been decided, however, to adhere to the decision previously conveyed to you.'

Mr Chifley was elected Prime Minister in succession to Mr Forde, and Dr Steinberg continued to pursue his fruitless campaign by writing to Chifley while he was in London in April, 1946. Chifley delayed his reply until he returned to Australia. He then wrote: 'Your representations have received full consideration. The Commonwealth Government, however, is unable to see its way to vary its decision concerning this matter. I may add, that as a post-war contribution to the settlement of the problem of finding homes for Jewish refugees, the Commonwealth has issued landing permits since the cessation of hostilities in Europe, in favour of close relatives of Jewish people already settled in Australia.' As Minister for Immigration, I helped Mr Chifley prepare that letter and, as I have explained in another chapter, we did much, much more for the Jewish people who had survived the terrible trials and tribulations they suffered in Europe, than any other country did proportionately. As it turned out, our scheme was a far better one than that propounded by the Freeland League. I think we should all be happy that the Freeland scheme never got off the ground.

TBC...

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Interesting that it's a 'given' that if Jews overrun a Western country, then anti-Semitism would skyrocket, yet Arabs are condemned for the same, after they've suffered over 60 long years of the menace that's ravaged their land and turfed them out into refugee camps.

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Mason, you used the same old line about Jews suffering in WWII... who was it that made them suffer again? Arabs or Westerners? Why should Arabs/Muslims have to live in refugee camps, to compensate for the West's misdeeds against Jews?

It seems to go something like this:

Jews annoy Europeans -> Europeans gas Jews -> Europeans feel sorry for Jews, and thrust them upon Arabs -> Arabs end up in refugee camps and wanna blow Europeans up for causing all this tyranny.....

You reap what you sow.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 7^th, 2011 at 7:44pm:

You may want to re-think that term BTB.