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Reply #105 - Mar 11^th, 2011 at 11:36pm

But aren't the Jews the CHOSEN
people?

Why would GOD discriminate and adopt a cast system of royalty and slavery?

What sort of GOD is that?

I am fairly certain that the Talmud specifically outlines the way that gentiles are to be treated by the CHOSEN
people.

Now you can't argue with that my friends

We must all lower our heads in submission and receive our inferiority punishment without resistance.

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Reply #106 - Mar 12^th, 2011 at 12:02am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11^th, 2011 at 7:47pm:

Abu,
I never said that Moshe Gil was wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Gil
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Moshe Gil specializes in the historical interaction between Islam and the Jews, including the history of Palestine under the Islamic domination, the institution of the Exilarchate, and Jewish merchants such as the Radhanites. Gil is professor emeritus of the Chaim Rosenberg School of Jewish Studies at Tel Aviv University and holds the Joseph and Ceil Mazer Chair in the History of the Jews in Muslim Lands.

Abu,
Are you saying that you are more knowledgable than a university professor
who specialises in this topic?

Abu's posts suggest YES Bobby lmao

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Reply #107 - Mar 12^th, 2011 at 8:10am

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 11^th, 2011 at 11:36pm:

But aren't the Jews the CHOSEN
people?

Why would GOD discriminate and adopt a cast system of royalty and slavery?

What sort of GOD is that?

I am fairly certain that the Talmud specifically outlines the way that gentiles are to be treated by the CHOSEN
people.

Now you can't argue with that my friends

We must all lower our heads in submission and receive our inferiority punishment without resistance.

EVERY religion thinks they are their god's CHOSEN
people.....

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106302 Melbourne Gender:	Re: islam and jews Reply #108 - Mar 12^th, 2011 at 10:32am Bobby Quote: Abu, Are you saying that you are more knowledgable than a university professor who specialises in this topic? Lisa, Quote: Abu's posts suggest YES Bobby lmao Yes Lisa - it's a bit like free financial advice. You get what you pay for.
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Re: islam and jews
Reply #109 - Mar 12^th, 2011 at 11:16am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 12^th, 2011 at 10:32am:

Bobby
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Abu,
Are you saying that you are more knowledgable than a university professor
who specialises in this topic?

Lisa,
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Abu's posts suggest YES Bobby lmao

Yes Lisa - it's a bit like free financial advice.
You get what you pay for. Wink

Quite true. Bobby .. why is that every time I enter here .. I feel like I'm hitting my head against the same brick wall?

You also feeling that way?

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zuluwarrior New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 32	Re: islam and jews Reply #110 - Mar 12^th, 2011 at 2:48pm Don't worry lisa, everyone can't be right or wrong.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106302 Melbourne Gender:	Re: islam and jews Reply #111 - Mar 12^th, 2011 at 2:56pm Lisa, Quite true. Bobby .. why is that every time I enter here .. I feel like I'm hitting my head Quote: against the same brick wall? You also feeling that way? I enjoy a good argument sometimes
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Foolosophy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1171 Australia Gender:	Re: islam and jews Reply #112 - Mar 12^th, 2011 at 4:32pm zuluwarrior wrote on Mar 12^th, 2011 at 2:48pm: Don't worry lisa, everyone can't be right or wrong. ? So if everyone CANT be right or wrong what are they?
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Foolosophy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1171 Australia Gender:	Re: islam and jews Reply #113 - Mar 12^th, 2011 at 4:34pm [/quote] EVERY religion thinks they are their god's CHOSEN people..... [/quote] Name them please! As far as we know only the Jewish tribe believe that GOD has Chosen them In other words that GOD is a racist
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Reply #114 - Mar 12^th, 2011 at 4:43pm

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 12^th, 2011 at 4:34pm:

EVERY religion thinks they are their god's CHOSEN
people.....

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Name them please!

As far as we know only the Jewish tribe believe that GOD has Chosen them

In other words that GOD is a racist [/quote]

Ok, Christianity, Islam, Hindi, Buddhist...etc...

And it's ONLY the jewish religion that SAYS out loud that they are 'God's Chosen People'....all the others THINK it, they just don't say it...

Baptists 'know' they'll be the only ones in Heaven, as do Church of England, and Lutherans, and Catholics and Presbyterians and all the other various Christian churches..

The same applies to the various Islamic sects etc etc...even the "branch Davidians" thought that...as did Jim Jones, and the Solar Temple..

'God' isn't racist.....but the people who create religions ARE...

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: islam and jews
Reply #115 - Mar 12^th, 2011 at 4:54pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2011 at 4:43pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 12^th, 2011 at 4:34pm:

EVERY religion thinks they are their god's CHOSEN
people.....

This is simply not true

So now you are a mind reader of all the other religions of the world.

Are you not aware of the Jewish axiom that there are 2 types of people on this planet? The Jews (GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE) and the gentliles (GODS CHOSEN SLAVES FOR THE JEWS)

I dont know of any other religion that openly claims this racist theological bigotry as a fundamenal ethic.

And remember this was the reason why Jesus CHrist rejected Judaism.
Its also why todays Judaic faith rejects CHristianity.

In the streets of Israeli cities today, Orthodox Jews collect copies of the New Testament or Gospels and burn them publically.

why is that?

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Reply #116 - Mar 12^th, 2011 at 6:51pm

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 12^th, 2011 at 4:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2011 at 4:43pm:

EVERY religion thinks they are their god's CHOSEN
people.....

This is simply not true

So now you are a mind reader of all the other religions of the world.

Are you not aware of the Jewish axiom that there are 2 types of people on this planet? The Jews (GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE) and the gentliles (GODS CHOSEN SLAVES FOR THE JEWS)

I dont know of any other religion that openly claims this racist theological bigotry as a fundamenal ethic.

Foolosophy declares then, "I am not well read." ?????

Try ISLAM;
While ISLAM is not a philosophy strictly based on 'race', ISLAM does exhibit an irrational and violent bigotry towards ALL 'unbelievers' - for the reason that they are, 'unbelievers'.

e.g.

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 12^th, 2011 at 4:54pm:

And remember this was the reason why Jesus CHrist rejected Judaism.
Its also why todays Judaic faith rejects CHristianity.

In the streets of Israeli cities today, Orthodox Jews collect copies of the New Testament or Gospels and burn them publically.

why is that?

They are men.

Men are flawed.

We are supposed to make mistakes.

That is what being human is.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #117 - Mar 12^th, 2011 at 7:01pm

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 11^th, 2011 at 11:36pm:

I am fairly certain that the Talmud specifically outlines the way that gentiles are to be treated by the CHOSEN
people.

Now you can't argue with that my friends

We must all lower our heads in submission and receive our inferiority punishment without resistance.

Yes i can.

Talmud, Talmud, Talmud, Talmud.

The Talmud is not the law [of God.]

more here, if you are willing to open your eyes ??? ...
Quote:

Strangers under the law of Moses;

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #118 - Mar 12^th, 2011 at 7:30pm

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 12^th, 2011 at 4:54pm:

I dont know of any other religion that openly claims this racist theological bigotry as a fundamenal ethic.

And remember this was the reason why Jesus CHrist rejected Judaism.

Incorrect.

Jesus did not reject 'Judaism', and Jesus certainly did not reject God laws.

Read your Bible.

Jesus was Torah observant and a Torah [law!] teacher.

What was Jesus message?
#1, Love God. Matthew 22:36-37
#2, Obey God's !!laws!!, study the scriptures. Matthew 19:16-19 John 14:15-21 Luke 24:45
#3, Love your fellow man. Matthew 22:39 Leviticus 19:18

'Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you'
Matthew 15:2-9

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Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother

All of the above were quoted by Jesus, from the book(s) of the !!law!!, the Torah,
Exodus 20:12-16
Deuteronomy 5:16-20

And including,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
From, Leviticus 19:18

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What did Jesus reject ???

The religious hypocrites of his time.

Those who use religion, and a pretence of a love for God, so as to rule over men.

e.g.
Speaking to the Pharisees, Jesus said;

Luke 16:15
....Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

ALSO,

Revelation 2:6
But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Revelation 2:15
So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

"...thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate."

'Nicolaitan' is a word that refers to those who 'rule over' or 'conquer' [Nico] 'the people' [the laity].

Matthew 20:25
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Mark 10:42
But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.
43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:
44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.

Luke 22:23
And they began to enquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing.
24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: islam and jews
Reply #119 - Mar 12^th, 2011 at 9:32pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 12^th, 2011 at 7:30pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 12^th, 2011 at 4:54pm:

I dont know of any other religion that openly claims this racist theological bigotry as a fundamenal ethic.

And remember this was the reason why Jesus CHrist rejected Judaism.

Incorrect.

Jesus did not reject 'Judaism', and Jesus certainly did not reject God laws.

And by reading the Bible you mean the Old Testament?

lol

How does and "eye for an eye" fit in with the Christian ethic of "turning the other cheek"?

One of the biggest spin jobs perpetrated on people was the glueing of the Old Testament to the Gospels and presenting it as one book.

What sort fo Poltical system would Jesus adovate if he was alive today?

The undemocratic corporate tyranny that enslaves us????

take your time - think about it. Was Jesus a Socialist or a Capitalist?

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