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Re: islam and jews
Reply #135 - Mar 13^th, 2011 at 4:05pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 13^th, 2011 at 4:02pm:

It's more of a highlight of the fact that you only half quote people who hate jews, to advance your hatred of jews, without realising they usually hate Islam just as much...

- Gizmo

You mean you've only JUST realised this?

Sheesh you're a tad slow lol Tongue

Naturally .. it will all be denied .. as per normal.

It's kinda like banging your head against the same bit of wall time after time after time .. any time you attempt to hold the light into Abu's entrenched darkness. Denial functions this way so it shouldn't come as any surprise.

Oh no Lisa, I figured it out ages ago....Shortly after I joined this forum in fact...

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: islam and jews Reply #136 - Mar 13^th, 2011 at 4:06pm Quote: Since I don't hate Jews, nor any race for that matter, your comment is just baseless. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA yeah, right...
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: islam and jews Reply #137 - Mar 13^th, 2011 at 4:10pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2011 at 4:06pm: Quote: Since I don't hate Jews, nor any race for that matter, your comment is just baseless. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA yeah, right... LMAO! Didn't I tell you he'll deny it all! See!!! WE ALL KNOW THE SCRIPT .. it's a tad like that of "Ground Hog Day" lol
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Re: islam and jews
Reply #138 - Mar 13^th, 2011 at 4:10pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 13^th, 2011 at 10:31am:

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How does islam regard jews? This is how:

Yeh as opposed to Christians, like the most influential man in Protestant Christianity, Martin Luther, who stated in his book "On the Jews & their lies" when describing the Jews:

They are a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth."
They are full of the "devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine."
The synagogue was a "defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut ..."

I don't disagree with you. New Age Islam is the only true alleged religion and we can't stand jews. We will one day dominate the world and we will smite with the leg bone of a donkey those who don't have a copy of our book the holy nar'uq.

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Reply #139 - Mar 13^th, 2011 at 4:17pm

salad in wrote on Mar 13^th, 2011 at 4:10pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 13^th, 2011 at 10:31am:

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How does islam regard jews? This is how:

Yeh as opposed to Christians, like the most influential man in Protestant Christianity, Martin Luther, who stated in his book "On the Jews & their lies" when describing the Jews:

They are a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth."
They are full of the "devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine."
The synagogue was a "defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut ..."

I don't disagree with you. New Age Islam is the only true alleged religion and we can't stand jews. We will one day dominate the world and we will smite with the leg bone of a donkey those who don't have a copy of our book the holy nar'uq.

Shouldn't it be the JAWBONE of an ASS???

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: islam and jews Reply #140 - Mar 13^th, 2011 at 4:21pm New Age Islam is the only true alleged religion and we can't stand jews. We will one day dominate the world and we will smite with the leg bone of a donkey those who don't have a copy of our book the holy nar'uq. - SALAD IN The nic alone says it all lmao
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Re: islam and jews
Reply #141 - Mar 13^th, 2011 at 5:57pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2011 at 4:17pm:

salad in wrote on Mar 13^th, 2011 at 4:10pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 13^th, 2011 at 10:31am:

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How does islam regard jews? This is how:

Yeh as opposed to Christians, like the most influential man in Protestant Christianity, Martin Luther, who stated in his book "On the Jews & their lies" when describing the Jews:

They are a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth."
They are full of the "devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine."
The synagogue was a "defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut ..."

I don't disagree with you. New Age Islam is the only true alleged religion and we can't stand jews. We will one day dominate the world and we will smite with the leg bone of a donkey those who don't have a copy of our book the holy nar'uq.

Shouldn't it be the JAWBONE of an ASS???

You with me G guy? Lisa's radar has picked up my signal. You with me G guy?

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Reply #142 - Mar 14^th, 2011 at 8:20am

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 13^th, 2011 at 3:58pm:

Unlike Judaism & Christianity, Islam abolished all kinds of racism. This is exemplified in many stories that abound about the statements of Muhammad (pbuh) and of his companions, such as when he rebuked an Arab one time for cursing a black man, to the point the Arab put his own head on the ground and demanded the black man step on his neck.

Really Abu ???

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And no good moslem ever exhibits racist tendencies ???

Why don't you WAKE UP Abu, and start telling the truth ???

AN EXAMPLE OF THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT ABU CLAIMS,;
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April 21, 2007
How a British jihadi saw the light
Ed Hussain, once a proponent of radical Islam in London, tells how his time as a teacher in Saudi Arabia led him to turn against extremism
...A non-Saudi black student I had met at the British Council accompanied me. “Last week a woman gave birth here,” he said, pointing to a ramshackle cardboard shanty. Disturbed, I now realised that the materials I had seen those women carrying were not always for sale but for shelter.
I had never expected to see such naked poverty in Saudi Arabia.
At that moment it dawned on me that Britain, my home, had given refuge to thousands of black Africans from Somalia and Sudan: I had seen them in their droves in Whitechapel. They prayed, had their own mosques, were free and were given government housing.
Many Muslims enjoyed a better lifestyle in non-Muslim Britain than they did in Muslim Saudi Arabia. At that moment I longed to be home again.
All my talk of ummah seemed so juvenile now. It was only in the comfort of Britain that Islamists could come out with such radical utopian slogans as one government, one ever expanding country, for one Muslim nation. The racist reality of the Arab psyche would never accept black and white people as equal.
...Racism was an integral part of Saudi society. My students often used the word “black person” to describe black people. Even dark-skinned Arabs were considered inferior to their lighter-skinned cousins. I was living in the world’s most avowedly Muslim country, yet I found it anything but. I was appalled by the imposition of Wahhabism in the public realm, something I had implicitly sought as an Islamist.

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Abu,

You claim that Mohammed was a fair, unbiased person [<--- that is the implication of your words].

Do you remember how Mohammed 'and his companions' went to speak to local [Arabian] Jews ???

And do you remember how Mohammed told those local [Arabian] Jews that they must sell all of their property to moslems, because Mohammed was going to exile them [i.e. expel the Arabian Jews from Arabia] ???

And that Mohammed was expelling them from Arabia, BECAUSE THEY WERE JEWS [i.e. not moslems] .

I can find the Hadith refs for you.

In fact, i am certain that i have already posted the account of that incident, here on OzPol.

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"While we were in the mosque, Allah's Apostle came out to us and said, "Let us proceed to the Jews." So we went along with him till we reached Bait-al-Midras (a place where the Torah used to be recited and all the Jews of the town used to gather). The Prophet stood up and addressed them, "O Assembly of Jews! Embrace Islam and you will be safe!" The Jews replied, "O Aba-l-Qasim! You have conveyed Allah's message to us." The Prophet said, "That is what I want (from you)." He repeated his first statement for the second time, and they said, "You have conveyed Allah's message, O Aba-l-Qasim." Then he said it for the third time and added, "You should Know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to exile you from,,, this land, so whoever among you owns some property, can sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle." "

"Israel begins sell-off of refugees’ land"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1250746280/6#6

So Abu, when moslems take over Australia, will moslems make the same ultimatum to Australians ???

"You should Know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to exile you from,,, this land,.."

Following the example of Mohammed, when moslems take over Australia, will moslems, tell Australians that they will expel Australians, unless they adopt/embrace ISLAM ???

THAT, is what Mohammed did.

Because the whole world, belongs to moslems, and Allah.

Isn't that so Abu ???

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Reply #143 - Mar 14^th, 2011 at 8:37am

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 13^th, 2011 at 3:58pm:

Unlike Judaism & Christianity, Islam abolished all kinds of racism. This is exemplified in many stories that abound about the statements of Muhammad (pbuh) and of his companions, such as when he rebuked an Arab one time for cursing a black man, to the point the Arab put his own head on the ground and demanded the black man step on his neck.

Abu,

If what you expressed above, is indeed true, please tell us all,
WHERE IS THE BEST EXAMPLE IN THE MOSLEM WORLD, OF WHERE SUCH HIGH IDEALS ARE BEING OPENLY EMBRACED BY GOOD MOSLEMS ???

e.g.
Where in the moslems world, are Jewish people treated without bias and discrimination ????

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"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."

Koran 3.110

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Reply #144 - Mar 14^th, 2011 at 8:53am

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And no good moslem ever exhibits racist tendencies ???

I don't recall saying no Muslim ever exhibits racism, in fact the story I brought before showed that an Arab did exhibit racism, but that he was severely rebuked for it.

Just as if I ever saw any Muslim carrying signs like that, I'd rebuke them also.

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AN EXAMPLE OF THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT ABU CLAIMS

"Ed" Hussein is just another of the long line of opportunists, who saw a chance to make a quick buck selling off his religion, and had no qualms in doing so. His experience in the British-founded kingdom of Saudi Arabia is probably true, that country is a despicable racist tyranny, no arguments from, nor from the vast majority of Muslims there. We are the ones who oppose Saudi Arabia, you are the ones who established it, and who continue to prop it up. Don't you think it's a little rich that you want to use your own puppet kingdom as an example of why you believe Islam is bad?

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Do you remember how Mohammed 'and his companions' went to speak to local [Arabian] Jews ???

Ahhh, do you mean the Jews who agreed to be his citizens, and then assisted invading armies to attack their city? Yes I remember those swine quite well. They got everything they deserved. Tell me Yadda, if Aussie-Muslims assisted Indonesia or another Muslim country to invade Australia and the army was eventually repelled, how would you and other Aussie-Christians deal with the Muslims in the aftermath? I think it would be far worse than how Muhammad (pbuh) did with the traiterous Jews.

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So Abu, when moslems take over Australia, will moslems make the same ultimatum to Australians ???

Muslims never made this ultimatum to lands they took over. They made it to people who aided and abetted invading armies.

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THAT, is what Mohammed did.

Don't you feel any shame at all in being such an open liar and fabricator? Doesn't your religion teach you anything about truth? Don't you fear a day when you'll be raised up and called to account for all the garbage and hate you speak about others?

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WHERE IS THE BEST EXAMPLE IN THE MOSLEM WORLD, OF WHERE SUCH HIGH IDEALS ARE BEING OPENLY EMBRACED BY GOOD MOSLEMS ??

I've stated countless times before the historical FACT that Islam has not been implemented anywhere since the demise of the Ottoman Caliphate. Since you are an open liar and fabricator, it doesn't surprise me that you would refuse to acknowledge this, since first and foremost you are deceptive to your own self.

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Reply #145 - Mar 14^th, 2011 at 9:48am

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 14^th, 2011 at 8:53am:

I don't recall saying no Muslim ever exhibits racism, in fact the story I brought before showed that an Arab did exhibit racism, but that he was severely rebuked for it.

Just as if I ever saw any Muslim carrying signs like that, I'd rebuke them also.

Of course you would.

But please tell us Abu, why is it that so, so, many people who refer to themselves as moslems, fail to exhibit the high ideals of anti-racism which you claim Mohammed professed, and which you claim ISLAM embraces ???

i.e.
What i am asking Abu, is,
Why do so many of those people, who refer to themselves as good moslems, so misunderstand Mohammed's 'good' example ???
Abu,
Why are so many of those people who refer to themselves as moslems, such raging hypocrites in their open conduct in the world ???
Abu,
Why are so many people [self declaring moslems] so mistaken as to how they interpret ISLAM ???

Abu,
Why do so many moslem, who refer to themselves as moslems, fall so short of Allah's description of moslems ???

e.g. Saudi moslems, Iranian moslems, Iraqi moslems, Afghani moslems, Pakistani moslems ???

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

Abu,
Everytime i point to the misdeeds of who refer to themselves as moslems, you claim they are moslem 'hypocrite's [as per the description in the Koran].

Abu,
Where are all of the good, the very best examples of moslems ???

Why don't you point to some of those communities of good moslems, so that we 'unbelievers', may admire these true moslem paragons of virtue, who walk this earth ???

Where are all of those people who are paragons of virtue, who call themselves moslems ???

And why aren't they 'Jihading' against those hypocrites, who refer to themselves as moslems ???

Oh sorry, sorry!

Of course, they are 'Jihading' against those hypocrites, who refer to themselves as moslems!

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Reply #146 - Mar 14^th, 2011 at 9:55am

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 14^th, 2011 at 8:53am:

"Ed" Hussein is just another of the long line of opportunists, who saw a chance to make a quick buck selling off his religion, and had no qualms in doing so. His experience in the British-founded kingdom of Saudi Arabia is probably true, that country is a despicable racist tyranny, no arguments from, nor from the vast majority of Muslims there. We are the ones who oppose Saudi Arabia, you are the ones who established it, and who continue to prop it up. Don't you think it's a little rich that you want to use your own puppet kingdom as an example of why you believe Islam is bad?

NEWSFLASH Abu.

Saudi Arabia, is not a colony of Britain.

Abu,

Your response to the bad behaviour of moslems is so, so, typical.

#1,
Deny all responsibility for the consequences of their own choices.
#2,
Project all of the guilt, for the misdeeds of moslems, onto others [i.e. non-moslems].

Q.
When will moslems ever, ever, accept responsibility,
#1,
for their own choices ???,
#2,
for the consequences of their own choices ???

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Reply #147 - Mar 14^th, 2011 at 10:16am

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 14^th, 2011 at 8:53am:

Ahhh, do you mean the Jews who agreed to be his citizens, and then assisted invading armies to attack their city? Yes I remember those swine quite well. They got everything they deserved. Tell me Yadda, if Aussie-Muslims assisted Indonesia or another Muslim country to invade Australia and the army was eventually repelled, how would you and other Aussie-Christians deal with the Muslims in the aftermath? I think it would be far worse than how Muhammad (pbuh) did with the traiterous Jews.

More typical moslem projection of guilt.

Moslems are always good.

And, whenever moslems commit any reprehensible act, moslems will always project all of the blame for the 'justified' moslem actions [atrocities against the victims of moslem aggression], onto their victims.

EXAMPLE #1
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"......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html

EXAMPLE #2
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April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity." [one time UK moslem community leader, Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad]

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html

REGARD FOR LIFE...
AS PER MOHAMMED'S PRONOUNCEMENTS...

"The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." "
bukhari/ #004.052.256

Here, clearly, Mohammed expressed no care, whatsoever, for the 'welfare', or safety, of non-combatants [women and children, who were non-moslems].

And why?

Because they are only 'from them', non-moslems.

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Reply #148 - Mar 14^th, 2011 at 10:32am

....the bottom line is the post 1967 occupation of Palestinian territory, the illegal erection of security barriers, the illegal settlement constructions and illegal kidnapping and detention of Palestinians.

Not to mention the war crimes perpetrated by the Israeli State and its refusal to abide by UN resolutions (you know the ones tha the USA vetoes)

So my friends until these issues are tackled in an honest and open manner, there will never be a peaceful resolution for both the Palestinians and the Israeli populatons.

AS we know from recently leaked documents concerning the so called peace process and road maps, it seems that Israel has NO will to obtain a peacefull outcome but rather to stall the process and continue the occupation and settlement building.

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Reply #149 - Mar 14^th, 2011 at 10:42am

Yadda wrote on Mar 14^th, 2011 at 8:37am:

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 13^th, 2011 at 3:58pm:

Unlike Judaism & Christianity, Islam abolished all kinds of racism. This is exemplified in many stories that abound about the statements of Muhammad (pbuh) and of his companions, such as when he rebuked an Arab one time for cursing a black man, to the point the Arab put his own head on the ground and demanded the black man step on his neck.

Abu,

If what you expressed above, is indeed true, please tell us all,
WHERE IS THE BEST EXAMPLE IN THE MOSLEM WORLD, OF WHERE SUCH HIGH IDEALS ARE BEING OPENLY EMBRACED BY GOOD MOSLEMS ???

e.g.
Where in the moslems world, are Jewish people treated without bias and discrimination ????

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"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."

Koran 3.110

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YOU should know that facts don't matter to Abu. They get in the way.

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