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Reply #30 - Mar 8^th, 2011 at 10:01pm

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Abu ... there has been a tug of war over the land of Israel .. ie the original homeland of the Jewish people for some time.

There's not one single instance of "tugging" during the entire 1200 years Muslims have ruled over it. The only "tugging" during that time was with your ancestors the Crusaders, and the Mongols.

It's quite sad that in 1260 C.E., thousands of Muslims laid down their lives to halt the Mongol onslaught, effectively preventing it from reaching Europe, and today the town where the epic battle of Ain Jalut occurred, where the saviour of East & West, Sayf ud-Deen Qutuz defeated the Mongol hordes and turned them back, Muslims are not even able to enter their own homes there.

The idea of a constant tug of war, which finally resulted in a partition is just fantasy. For the 1200 years Muslims ruled the land, and prior to that even, Jews were nothing in the land. they were a tiny minority, no more than Greeks or Persians. In fact for the past 2000 years, Arabs, even before Islam, have constituted the only continuous majority in the land, until the despicable expulsions in the 1940's and thereafter, continuing up until the very moment these words appear on your screen.

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Reply #31 - Mar 8^th, 2011 at 10:04pm

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And the Jews have their homeland once more.

No, they are squatting in someone else's land. And that someone else isn't going away until the squatters vacate.

It ceased to be their land long ago, thousands of years ago in fact. This kind of reasoning is like saying that in another 1200 years time, Muslims should goto Spain and boot the Spaniards out, because it was once our land.

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Reply #32 - Mar 8^th, 2011 at 10:25pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8^th, 2011 at 7:12pm:

Abu ... there has been a tug of war over the land of Israel .. ie the original homeland of the Jewish people for some time.

And the Jews have their homeland once more.

Deal with it.

Yes Abu,
The Jews were in Israel 2000 years ago - just read the Bible for some proof.
Didn't they crucify Christ?

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: islam and jews Reply #33 - Mar 8^th, 2011 at 10:33pm Abu .. it's probably a good idea that you NOT read the Bible. Why? Because what it says about the wonderful future of Israel .. the homeland of the Jewish people .. will depress you greatly. Good night and sweet dreams
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Reply #34 - Mar 8^th, 2011 at 10:39pm

No, they are squatting in someone else's land. And that someone else isn't going away until the squatters vacate.

- Abu

No! The Jews are in THEIR original homeland.

And furthermore God states quite clearly in the Bible .. that it will remain THEIR homeland .. forever.

Now Abu .. I'm going to go to bed happy and comforted. Why? Because I know that the holy word of GOD will always supersede the unstable and nonsensical word of ABU.

Night and sweet dreams xxx Lisa

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Reply #35 - Mar 8^th, 2011 at 10:52pm

Muslims should go to Spain and boot the Spaniards out, because it was once our land ???

- Abu

Huh? Just caught this nonsense on the way out.

Spain was never originally your land.

Likewise .. the Jews are the original owners of their land.

And you keep bringing up this notion of squatters. You do realise that the Palestinians are the squatters HENCE why Israel is a nation state .. and Palestine isn't.

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Anyways .. I'm off to bed .. I've taught you enough history for 1 night Abu.

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5453 Gender:	Re: islam and jews Reply #36 - Mar 8^th, 2011 at 11:57pm Going a bit off topic here, sorry, however I have to ask. Abu. it seems you were born in Australia and grew up with all the benefits that entails. So what has possessed you to embrace a religion that is the antithesis of all you grew up with?
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Reply #37 - Mar 9^th, 2011 at 5:42am

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Yes Abu,
The Jews were in Israel 2000 years ago - just read the Bible for some proof.

Can you read? As has been stated, they were there 2000 years ago, but they left, and for the past 2500 years have had no sovereign state there, and for the past 1800 years no state at all, and no sizable presence. That's the point here, in case you hadn't noticed.

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Didn't they crucify Christ?

Well they did incite it, but they didn't actually carry out the sentence, because they weren't the rulers of the land, the Romans were. This is all very well known fact, I can't believe you dead heads are here contesting it all. Honestly it's as tedious as trying to sweep a desert in a sandstorm.

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Abu .. it's probably a good idea that you NOT read the Bible.

Hold onto that thought...

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No! The Jews are in THEIR original homeland.

Obviously haven't read your own Bible have you? Never heard of a little place called Ur Kasdim? Strangely enough the Bible tells us it's the _original_ homeland of the Jews.

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And furthermore God states quite clearly in the Bible .. that it will remain THEIR homeland .. forever.

Well for most of their recorded history it hasn't been their homeland, so one would have to therefore call into account the authenticity of the Bible.

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Huh? Just caught this nonsense on the way out.

Spain was never originally your land.

Likewise .. the Jews are the original owners of their land.

Again, don't seem too clued up on your own Bible. I'd suggest you go and have a little read about the Canaanites, Jebusites, Girgashites etc.

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You do realise that the Palestinians are the squatters HENCE why Israel is a nation state .. and Palestine isn't.

The simple fact is that Palestinians can trace their ancestry in the land back hundreds or thousands of years. About 95% of Jews cannot trace their ancestry in the land back more than 100 years... Most are quite obviously Russian, Ukrainian, English, Polish, German, American etc. they have no traceable origin in the land at all. They ARE squatters, and not native to the land.

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Reply #38 - Mar 9^th, 2011 at 7:09am

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 8^th, 2011 at 6:27pm:

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Go back a bit further .. there's no need to pretend Israel never existed before 1948. Oh and you should stop rescripting history Abu .. you've never been good at it.
The country of Israel has been around for thousands of years.

The Kingdom of Israel came to an end in the year 720 B.C.E. The Kingdom of Judah, its 'sister' kingdom survived it until about 586 B.C.E, at which point it also fell. In 539 B.C.E a token Kingdom of Judah was established by the Persians, and eventually changed hands to the Greeks, then the Romans. However after the Bar Kokhba revolt in the year 135 C.E, even the token kingdom was abolished and no Jewish state existed in the region, token or otherwise until 1948. Jews were dispersed in what is known as the diaspora all around the world, and had no more of a presence in their former homeland than they did in any other lands of the Middle East until the massive waves of illegal immigration in the early 20th. century, that led to the current mess, whereby they expelled people who have an UNBROKEN history in the land over 2500 years long.

You seriously need a history lesson.

History is always good to learn Abu, but your the only one that has your version unfortunately, which seems to contradict the official version.
Perhaps you could publish your version though.
'World History according to Abu' would be a fitting title.
To be found in all good paper shops next to the Commando comics.

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Reply #39 - Mar 9^th, 2011 at 8:30am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 9^th, 2011 at 7:09am:

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 8^th, 2011 at 6:27pm:

Lisa,

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Go back a bit further .. there's no need to pretend Israel never existed before 1948. Oh and you should stop rescripting history Abu .. you've never been good at it.
The country of Israel has been around for thousands of years.

The Kingdom of Israel came to an end in the year 720 B.C.E. The Kingdom of Judah, its 'sister' kingdom survived it until about 586 B.C.E, at which point it also fell. In 539 B.C.E a token Kingdom of Judah was established by the Persians, and eventually changed hands to the Greeks, then the Romans. However after the Bar Kokhba revolt in the year 135 C.E, even the token kingdom was abolished and no Jewish state existed in the region, token or otherwise until 1948. Jews were dispersed in what is known as the diaspora all around the world, and had no more of a presence in their former homeland than they did in any other lands of the Middle East until the massive waves of illegal immigration in the early 20th. century, that led to the current mess, whereby they expelled people who have an UNBROKEN history in the land over 2500 years long.

You seriously need a history lesson.

History is always good to learn Abu, but your the only one that has your version unfortunately, which seems to contradict the official version.
Perhaps you could publish your version though.
'World History according to Abu' would be a fitting title.
To be found in all good paper shops next to the Commando comics.

Actually the version Abu has described is the accurate version. When you say the 'official' version, you don't really mean the official version...do you. You actually mean the 'Zionist' version. Unfortunately for you, your zionist version is nothing but Zionist lies and fairy tales.

'A land without people, for a people without a land'. Sound familiar? Just one of many zionist lies that have been exposed.

Fact is that muslims ruled over Spain longer then Jews over Palestine, don't see you advocating the return of muslim rule over Spain.

Why is that??

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chicken_lipsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7090 Townsville NQ Gender:	Re: islam and jews Reply #40 - Mar 9^th, 2011 at 9:01am Actually, no I don't mean the 'Zionist' version. Do you see Zionists under the bed too? I mean't the Western version. And no, you wont hear any call for the Muslims to take back Spain. Don't know whether you've noticed but the Muslim world as such is a bit of a basket case right now.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106318 Melbourne Gender:	Re: islam and jews Reply #41 - Mar 9^th, 2011 at 9:49am Abu, Quote: As has been stated, they were there 2000 years ago, but they left Well that's news to me. I think should publish that on Wikipedia.
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Reply #42 - Mar 9^th, 2011 at 5:35pm

Come on, all historical accounts (excepting the Zionist revisionist one) say the same thing regarding the Jews and their expulsion from their former land (long before the Muslims arrived) and their removal from power about 1000 years before that. There's even a word invented to describe the situation (diaspora). You people are as dense as osmium.

There's no arguing with an idiot, who doesn't even have the basic awareness to recognise when he's been blown away.

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Reply #43 - Mar 9^th, 2011 at 5:43pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 9^th, 2011 at 5:35pm:

Come on, all historical accounts (excepting the Zionist revisionist one) say the same thing regarding the Jews and their expulsion from their former land (long before the Muslims arrived) and their removal from power about 1000 years before that. There's even a word invented to describe the situation (diaspora). You people are as dense as osmium.

There's no arguing with an idiot, who doesn't even have the basic awareness to recognise when he's been blown away.

I can't fault anything you've said here.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: islam and jews Reply #44 - Mar 9^th, 2011 at 6:40pm Thanks Wes, glad to see I have at least one other rational human being here with me.
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