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Reply #45 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 7:12pm
 
Abu's history of the Jews in Israel:
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As has been stated, they were there 2000 years ago, but they left


The history of the Jews -  on Wikipedia -   that Abu is welcome to edit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Land_of_Israel
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Origins of Israel and Judah (1200-586 BCE)
Babylonian exile, The Return to Zion and the Persian rule (538-332 BCE)
Hellenistic period (332-37 BCE)
Under Roman rule (37 BCE-324 CE)
In the Byzantine period (324-638)
Under the Islamic Empire (638-1099)
In the Crusaders period (1099-1260)
In the Mamluk period (1260-1517)
In the Ottoman period (1517-1917)
British Mandate (1917-1948)
1948 Arab-Israeli War
The modern nation of Israel (1948–present day)

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Reply #46 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 7:53pm
 
Why would I need to edit it, when it clearly already says the same as what I've stated?

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and lost the Negev, the Shephelah, and part of the Judean hill country, including Hebron, to encroachments from Edom and other neighbours.


Not sure if you're aware, but that's about 75% of the total land that the Jews are today claiming. They lost it 2500 years ago, your own source clearly corroborates this, yet you just can't seem to even comprehend it.

This map of the Greek period clearly shows that over half of what they claim today was not under their puppet rule (as they were not independant sovereign rulers anyway).

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And it quite clearly states that by the Byzantine period (320~ C.E) the region was called Palestine and was completely under Byzantine rule, there was no Jewish state left at all. They were just a tiny minority scattered around in a few little communities, whilst the bulk of the population were mostly Greeks & Arabs.

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Jews at this time in the province of Palestine were living under the rule of the Byzantines.. ..Jews still lived in at least forty-three Jewish communities in Palestine


When the Muslim empire came into existence, and it expanded north into Palestine, there was no mention of any Jewish state there. The Muslims encountered Romanised Arab Christians.

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In 638 CE the Byzantine Empire lost control of the Levant. The Arab Islamic Empire under Caliph Omar conquered Jerusalem and the lands of Mesopotamia, Syria, Palestine and Egypt.


The nonsense like this: "According to Israeli historian Moshe Gil, at the time of the Arab conquest in 7th century CE, the majority of the population was Jewish" that is sprinkled into that article is obviously completely contrary to all historical evidence of the time. Surely if there was a Jewish kingdom there, the Muslims would've noticed it  Grin

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In 1099, along with the other inhabitants of the land, the Jews vigorously defended Jerusalem against the Crusaders. When the city fell, the Crusaders gathered them in a synagogue and set it alight.


This is partially true, although probably quite overstated. The people who defended Jerusalem, and eventually liberated it again were Muslims, not Jews. Never heard of Salah-ud-deen (saladin)? Sorry, am I getting too historical for you now? When the crusaders arrived, they did indeed murder Jews, Muslims & Christians alike. And they all united together to try and fight off the crusader menace.

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Jews were not allowed to hold land in the Crusader period but concentrated their efforts on the commerce in the coastal towns during times of quiescence.


Interesting, they didn't hold any land, but they supposedly had a kingdom there  Grin

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In the years 1260-1516, Palestine was part of the Empire of the Mamluks who ruled first from Turkey


Really??? I thought it was ruled by Jews  Grin Grin Grin Grin

This statement is incorrect though, so I'll let you off on that one, since it's just completely unfactual that the Mamelukes ruled from Turkey. The Mamelukes were largely Turkic by ethnicity, but they most certainly never ruled from Turkey.

Zionist revisionists never worried about actual historical facts though.... And those who subscribe to their nonsense are not the brightest of sparks, so they'd never notice.

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A notable event during the period was the settlement of Nachmanides in the Old City of Jerusalem in 1267 which since then a continuous Jewish presence existed in Jerusalem until modern day occupation of Jordan in 194


Isn't this an admission there was no continuous Jewish presence in the city prior to that?

But it was under Jewish rule right?  Grin

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During the siege of Acre in 1799, Napoleon prepared a proclamation declaring a Jewish state in Israel, though he did not issue it.


How on earth could he do this??? Didn't anyone tell him there was already a Jewish state there, and had been all along? Poor Napoleon just had no idea did he?

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Between 1882 and 1948, a series of Jewish migrations to what is the modern nation of Israel, known as Aliyahs commenced. These migrations preceded the Zionist period.


Right... and that's how about 95% of Jews ended up in Palestine. They are recent illegal immigrant squatters, who booted others out of their homes. And they should go back to whence they came.

So Bobby... did you actually read your source before you posted it? doesn't seem like it to me.
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Reply #47 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 8:02pm
 
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So Bobby... did you actually read your source before you posted it? doesn't seem like it to me.


Don't shoot the messenger - get in there and edit it.
Wikipedia would appreciate your editing considering your great knowledge.
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Reply #48 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 8:14pm
 
Abu - you are still missing my point.
Your history of Jews in Israel was a one liner:

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As has been stated, they were there 2000 years ago, but they left



Now you are changing your story.
Which is the correct story?
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Reply #49 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 8:27pm
 
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Don't shoot the messenger - get in there and edit it.


I used to care, and corrected a few articles many years ago, but there's little point. I'll let others battle it out and waste their time. Wikipedia has no final authority as a source anyway, it's merely a place, and arena for people to publish what they think is fact. It is still up for scrutiny. Clearly unfactual nonsense is definitely in there, but it's quite obvious since it has no source and disagrees completely with all known reported historical accounts (eg. "the Mamelukes ruled from Turkey").

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Abu - you are still missing my point.
Your history of Jews in Israel was a one liner:
Now you are changing your story.
Which is the correct story?


I'm not changing anything, they quite clearly have had no sovereign state there for about 2500 years, and for the past 1850~ years, they had no state at all, token or otherwise. Your own article overtly states this, that the Byzantines, Muslims, Crusaders then Muslims again were the ones who've had states there during the past 1850~ years.

There's Muslims still in Spain today, does that mean we still have a state there? Is Spain still ours? Should we boot all Spaniards out of their homes and into refugee camps on the doorsteps of France and Italy?
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Reply #50 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 8:34pm
 
Abu,
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they quite clearly have had no sovereign state there for about 2500 years, and for the past 1850~ years, they had no state at all, token or otherwise.


They do have a State now & the Arabs have been able to do nothing about it.
Even when the Arabs attacked from all sides at once they still lost.
Now it's time for everyone to get on with their lives.

What you're saying is the same as -
The Aboriginals here should now be our rulers & own all our houses & land.

The Maoris in New Zealand should own everything there & kick out all the whites.

The Red Indians in the USA should kick out all the Yanks.

etc etc

You're just living in a dream world Abu.
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Reply #51 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 8:37pm
 
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Even when the Arabs attacked from all sides at once they still lost.


Yeh right... you mean when the only actual trained army was the Jordanians, and they were commanded by British officers? Yeh they really lost.... If anyone lost, it was the British, but it was quite obviously all a farce.

Let us see when the puppet regimes are all swept out, and the Muslims gain back control of their countries from the Western puppets (something they haven't had since Ottoman times)...

We'll see how long 'Israel' lasts.
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Reply #52 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 8:39pm
 
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What you're saying is the same as -
The Aboriginals here should now be our rulers & own all our houses & land.

The Maoris in New Zealand should own everything there & kick out all the whites.

The Red Indians in the USA should kick out all the Yanks.

etc etc

You're just living in a dream world Abu


Why shouldn't they? Why should they have had their land thieved from them by the British?
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Reply #53 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 8:47pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 9th, 2011 at 8:39pm:
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What you're saying is the same as -
The Aboriginals here should now be our rulers & own all our houses & land.

The Maoris in New Zealand should own everything there & kick out all the whites.

The Red Indians in the USA should kick out all the Yanks.

etc etc

You're just living in a dream world Abu


Why shouldn't they? Why should they have had their land thieved from them by the British?


Because they were conquered.
I'd like to see an Abo push you out of your home with a spear  Grin
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Reply #54 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 8:50pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 9th, 2011 at 8:37pm:
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Even when the Arabs attacked from all sides at once they still lost.


Yeh right... you mean when the only actual trained army was the Jordanians
, and they were commanded by British officers? Yeh they really lost.... If anyone lost, it was the British, but it was quite obviously all a farce.

Let us see when the puppet regimes are all swept out, and the Muslims gain back control of their countries from the Western puppets (something they haven't had since Ottoman times)...

We'll see how long 'Israel' lasts.


I assume you don't consider an army some 100,000 strong, 30,000 with previous combat experience, equipped with tanks, artillery and combat aircraft to be an 'actual, trained army' ?

I would be interested in what your definition of a trained army is.

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Reply #55 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 8:50pm
 
Abu,
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We'll see how long 'Israel' lasts.


If Israel was ever invaded there would be a nuclear sting in their tail.
They hold nuclear annihilation over the heads of all Arabs.

It's a no win situation Abu - get over it.
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Reply #56 - Mar 10th, 2011 at 8:25am
 
Belgarion wrote on Mar 9th, 2011 at 8:50pm:
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 9th, 2011 at 8:37pm:
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Even when the Arabs attacked from all sides at once they still lost.


Yeh right... you mean when the only actual trained army was the Jordanians
, and they were commanded by British officers? Yeh they really lost.... If anyone lost, it was the British, but it was quite obviously all a farce.

Let us see when the puppet regimes are all swept out, and the Muslims gain back control of their countries from the Western puppets (something they haven't had since Ottoman times)...

We'll see how long 'Israel' lasts.


I assume you don't consider an army some 100,000 strong, 30,000 with previous combat experience, equipped with tanks, artillery and combat aircraft to be an 'actual, trained army' ?

I would be interested in what your definition of a trained army is.



And which army would that be? Israels?
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Reply #57 - Mar 10th, 2011 at 8:27am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2011 at 8:50pm:
Abu,
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We'll see how long 'Israel' lasts.


If Israel was ever invaded there would be a nuclear sting in their tail.
They hold nuclear annihilation over the heads of all Arabs.

It's a no win situation Abu - get over it.


Israel nuking the wailing wall...now that I'd like to see.
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Reply #58 - Mar 10th, 2011 at 9:51am
 
We'll see how long 'Israel' lasts.

- Abu

Well you personally won't live long enough to see that.

GOD in the Holy Bible states that Israel will be an established state for ever once the Jews have been returned to their original homeland ISRAEL (which happened in 1948).

Deal with it Abu!

Oh and stop attempting to rescript history on this forum everyday .. it only makes you look more stupid and desperate than ever.
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Reply #59 - Mar 10th, 2011 at 9:53am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 9th, 2011 at 7:09am:
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 6:27pm:
Lisa,

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Go back a bit further .. there's no need to pretend Israel never existed before 1948. Oh and you should stop rescripting history Abu .. you've never been good at it.
The country of Israel has been around for thousands of years.


The Kingdom of Israel came to an end in the year 720 B.C.E. The Kingdom of Judah, its 'sister' kingdom survived it until about 586 B.C.E, at which point it also fell. In 539 B.C.E a token Kingdom of Judah was established by the Persians, and eventually changed hands to the Greeks, then the Romans. However after the Bar Kokhba revolt in the year 135 C.E, even the token kingdom was abolished and no Jewish state existed in the region, token or otherwise until 1948. Jews were dispersed in what is known as the diaspora all around the world, and had no more of a presence in their former homeland than they did in any other lands of the Middle East until the massive waves of illegal immigration in the early 20th. century, that led to the current mess, whereby they expelled people who have an UNBROKEN history in the land over 2500 years long.

You seriously need a history lesson.


History is always good to learn Abu, but your the only one that has your version unfortunately, which seems to contradict the official version.
Perhaps you could publish your version though.
'World History according to Abu' would be a fitting title.
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