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Reply #60 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:56am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2011 at 7:12pm:

Abu's history of the Jews in Israel:
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As has been stated, they were there 2000 years ago, but they left

The history of the Jews - on Wikipedia - that Abu is welcome to edit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Land_of_Israel
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Origins of Israel and Judah (1200-586 BCE)
Babylonian exile, The Return to Zion and the Persian rule (538-332 BCE)
Hellenistic period (332-37 BCE)
Under Roman rule (37 BCE-324 CE)
In the Byzantine period (324-638)
Under the Islamic Empire (638-1099)
In the Crusaders period (1099-1260)
In the Mamluk period (1260-1517)
In the Ottoman period (1517-1917)
British Mandate (1917-1948)
1948 Arab-Israeli War
The modern nation of Israel (1948–present day)

GOOD STUFF BOBBY!!

The fact remains .. whilst Abu spends all day and night on this forum saying whatever he dreams up and imagines (and that is all he has been posting in here thus far) .. the Jews have returned to THEIR ORIGINAL HOMELAND once more as per God's Holy Word .. which also states that their homeland Israel will last forever.

Last time I checked .. forever was a very LONG time lol

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Reply #61 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:08am

Lestat wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 8:25am:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 9^th, 2011 at 8:50pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 9^th, 2011 at 8:37pm:

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Even when the Arabs attacked from all sides at once they still lost.

Yeh right... you mean when the only actual trained army was the Jordanians, and they were commanded by British officers? Yeh they really lost.... If anyone lost, it was the British, but it was quite obviously all a farce.

Let us see when the puppet regimes are all swept out, and the Muslims gain back control of their countries from the Western puppets (something they haven't had since Ottoman times)...

We'll see how long 'Israel' lasts.

I assume you don't consider an army some 100,000 strong, 30,000 with previous combat experience, equipped with tanks, artillery and combat aircraft to be an 'actual, trained army' ?

I would be interested in what your definition of a trained army is.

And which army would that be? Israels?

No. Egypts actually.

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Reply #63 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:19am

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2011 at 7:12pm:

Abu's history of the Jews in Israel:
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As has been stated, they were there 2000 years ago, but they left

The history of the Jews - on Wikipedia - that Abu is welcome to edit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Land_of_Israel
Quote:

Origins of Israel and Judah (1200-586 BCE)
Babylonian exile, The Return to Zion and the Persian rule (538-332 BCE)
Hellenistic period (332-37 BCE)
Under Roman rule (37 BCE-324 CE)
In the Byzantine period (324-638)
Under the Islamic Empire (638-1099)
In the Crusaders period (1099-1260)
In the Mamluk period (1260-1517)
In the Ottoman period (1517-1917)
British Mandate (1917-1948)
1948 Arab-Israeli War
The modern nation of Israel (1948–present day)

GOOD STUFF BOBBY!!

The fact remains .. whilst Abu spends all day and night on this forum saying whatever he dreams up and imagines (and that is all he has been posting in here thus far) .. the Jews have returned to THEIR ORIGINAL HOMELAND once more as per God's Holy Word .. which also states that their homeland Israel will last forever.

Last time I checked .. forever was a very LONG time lol

Thanks Lisa,
Abu is an intelligent guy but he has a habit of throwing ridiculous one liners into his posts e.g.
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As has been stated, they were there 2000 years ago, but they left

Abu - as the moderator should set the standard for debate.
e.g quote + link to verify it. It's not that hard to do.
Otherwise his whole section on Islam is becoming nothing more than pub talk.

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Reply #64 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:28am

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2011 at 7:12pm:

Abu's history of the Jews in Israel:
Quote:

As has been stated, they were there 2000 years ago, but they left

The history of the Jews - on Wikipedia - that Abu is welcome to edit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Land_of_Israel
Quote:

Origins of Israel and Judah (1200-586 BCE)
Babylonian exile, The Return to Zion and the Persian rule (538-332 BCE)
Hellenistic period (332-37 BCE)
Under Roman rule (37 BCE-324 CE)
In the Byzantine period (324-638)
Under the Islamic Empire (638-1099)
In the Crusaders period (1099-1260)
In the Mamluk period (1260-1517)
In the Ottoman period (1517-1917)
British Mandate (1917-1948)
1948 Arab-Israeli War
The modern nation of Israel (1948–present day)

GOOD STUFF BOBBY!!

The fact remains .. whilst Abu spends all day and night on this forum saying whatever he dreams up and imagines (and that is all he has been posting in here thus far) .. the Jews have returned to THEIR ORIGINAL HOMELAND once more as per God's Holy Word .. which also states that their homeland Israel will last forever.

Last time I checked .. forever was a very LONG time lol

hahaha...well if it's in the bible it MUST be true!

Grin

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Reply #65 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:44am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 9:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2011 at 7:12pm:

Abu's history of the Jews in Israel:
Quote:

As has been stated, they were there 2000 years ago, but they left

The history of the Jews - on Wikipedia - that Abu is welcome to edit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Land_of_Israel
Quote:

Origins of Israel and Judah (1200-586 BCE)
Babylonian exile, The Return to Zion and the Persian rule (538-332 BCE)
Hellenistic period (332-37 BCE)
Under Roman rule (37 BCE-324 CE)
In the Byzantine period (324-638)
Under the Islamic Empire (638-1099)
In the Crusaders period (1099-1260)
In the Mamluk period (1260-1517)
In the Ottoman period (1517-1917)
British Mandate (1917-1948)
1948 Arab-Israeli War
The modern nation of Israel (1948–present day)

GOOD STUFF BOBBY!!

The fact remains .. whilst Abu spends all day and night on this forum saying whatever he dreams up and imagines (and that is all he has been posting in here thus far) .. the Jews have returned to THEIR ORIGINAL HOMELAND once more as per God's Holy Word .. which also states that their homeland Israel will last forever.

Last time I checked .. forever was a very LONG time lol

Thanks Lisa,
Abu is an intelligent guy but he has a habit of throwing ridiculous one liners into his posts e.g.
Quote:

As has been stated, they were there 2000 years ago, but they left

Abu - as the moderator should set the standard for debate.
e.g quote + link to verify it. It's not that hard to do.
Otherwise his whole section on Islam is becoming nothing more than pub talk.

It isn't gonna happen.

FD and I have been through this road with him a few times before.

I'm pretty sure denial is at the core of all Abu's troubles.

Poor sod! He has my pity these days.

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Reply #66 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:53am

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:16am:

....and how exaclty is all this Historical banter relevant to the Israeli war crimes carreid out on occupied Palestinian territory?

Well, if you have any evidence of Israeli war crimes carried out anywhere, you better let someone know in the Hague.
Otherwise it's just banter.
And I'm assuming that 'Occupied Palestinian' land you are referring to is the West Bank.
If this is so, the Israeli's seized that land in the West Bank in 1948 off the Jordanians, who got it off the British, who got it off the Ottomans, who got it off the Romans, who got it off the Greeks, Egyptians, Persians etc.
Perhaps the Jordanians should have learnt to make war better when attacking their neighbor.
In fact you might be better off calling Jordan 'Occupied Palestinian' land as this countries population is actually 60% Palestinian.
And the Arab League actually gave their opinion of the proposed 2 state solution way back in 1948, when they attacked Israel and were repulsed.

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Reply #67 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:43am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:53am:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:16am:

....and how exaclty is all this Historical banter relevant to the Israeli war crimes carreid out on occupied Palestinian territory?

Well, if you have any evidence of Israeli war crimes carried out anywhere, you better let someone know in the Hague.
Otherwise it's just banter.
And I'm assuming that 'Occupied Palestinian' land you are referring to is the West Bank.
If this is so, the Israeli's seized that land in the West Bank in 1948 off the Jordanians, who got it off the British, who got it off the Ottomans, who got it off the Romans, who got it off the Greeks, Egyptians, Persians etc.
Perhaps the Jordanians should have learnt to make war better when attacking their neighbor.
In fact you might be better off calling Jordan 'Occupied Palestinian' land as this countries population is actually 60% Palestinian.
And the Arab League actually gave their opinion of the proposed 2 state solution way back in 1948, when they attacked Israel and were repulsed.

Well said!

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Reply #68 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 6:32pm

bobby,

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Abu - as the moderator should set the standard for debate.
e.g quote + link to verify it. It's not that hard to do.

Your own sources already proved it. I don't need to quote and link when you already provided the source, not even having the requisite intellect to realise it.

chicken,

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who got it off the British, who got it off the Ottomans, who got it off the Romans

I don't mean to upset your applecart by actually adding some historical accuracy to your point, but the Ottomans did not get it off the Romans. The Ottomans absorbed the Mameluke Sultanate, which had grown out of the Ayyubid Sultanate which had expelled the Crusaders who were temporarily occupying it. the Romans (Byzantines actually) held it prior to the arrival of Islam, but the kings of the land were Romanised Arabs.

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Reply #69 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 7:36pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 6:32pm:

bobby,

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Abu - as the moderator should set the standard for debate.
e.g quote + link to verify it. It's not that hard to do.

Your own sources already proved it. I don't need to quote and link when you already provided the source, not even having the requisite intellect to realise it.

What does the " it " refer to?
This - referring to Jews in Israel?
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As has been stated, they were there 2000 years ago, but they left

My link does not prove that.

As for requisite intellect - you're just being stubborn when caught out
with another one of your ridiculous one-liners.

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Reply #70 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 8:08pm

Look bobby, the fact is Jews ceased ruling independently over the land 2500+ years ago, and as of 1850 years ago they were reduced to nothing but a tiny minority with no rulership at all. when the Muslims arrived there were no more Jews there than there was Jews in Arabia or Iraq or Egypt etc. This is simple historical fact you just can't seem to grasp, and your own links corroborate it. I'm not going to bother repeating it over and over, because you didn't comprehend it the first time. You are the one being stubborn here, stubbornly refusing to accept well established historical facts.

You're a sore loser, plain and simple.

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Reply #71 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 8:30pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:53am:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 10:16am:

....and how exaclty is all this Historical banter relevant to the Israeli war crimes carreid out on occupied Palestinian territory?

Well, if you have any evidence of Israeli war crimes carried out anywhere, you better let someone know in the Hague.
Otherwise it's just banter.
And I'm assuming that 'Occupied Palestinian' land you are referring to is the West Bank.
If this is so, the Israeli's seized that land in the West Bank in 1948 off the Jordanians, who got it off the British, who got it off the Ottomans, who got it off the Romans, who got it off the Greeks, Egyptians, Persians etc.
Perhaps the Jordanians should have learnt to make war better when attacking their neighbor.
In fact you might be better off calling Jordan 'Occupied Palestinian' land as this countries population is actually 60% Palestinian.
And the Arab League actually gave their opinion of the proposed 2 state solution way back in 1948, when they attacked Israel and were repulsed.

What boundaries did Israel agree to in 1948?
Why hasnt Israel retreated to pre 1967 boundaries as required by UN resolutions and the UN charter of the rigth of return.

(Surely you are kidding about the nature of the many Israeli the war crimes carried out by the IDF in occupied Palestinian territory? These are on the public record)

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Reply #72 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 8:45pm

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Surely you are kidding about the nature of the many Israeli the war crimes carried out by the IDF in occupied Palestinian territory? These are on the public record?

It's interesting that even though they appointed a Zionist Jewish judge to head the U.N report into war crimes during the invasion of Gaza, evidence of war crimes were still discovered, and they still didn't accept it...

It's illustrative of the entire conflict, even though the media and the superpowers are incredibly pro-Zionist, they still claim the whole world is against them.

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What boundaries did Israel agree to in 1948?

They agreed to any borders anyone would give them, because effectively the Jews were going from 0% of a country to > 0%... surely a profitable gain.

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Reply #73 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 8:51pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 8:45pm:

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Surely you are kidding about the nature of the many Israeli the war crimes carried out by the IDF in occupied Palestinian territory? These are on the public record?

It's interesting that even though they appointed a Zionist Jewish judge to head the U.N report into war crimes during the invasion of Gaza, evidence of war crimes were still discovered, and they still didn't accept it...

It's illustrative of the entire conflict, even though the media and the superpowers are incredibly pro-Zionist, they still claim the whole world is against them.

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What boundaries did Israel agree to in 1948?

They agreed to any borders anyone would give them, because effectively the Jews were going from 0% of a country to > 0%... surely a profitable gain.

Well if that is the case then Israeli borders should be set along 1948 guidelines. Security barriers dismantled. And most importanlty a recognition that Palestine has a right to exist. Compensation can be worked out by the legal system.

I dont see what the problem is here.

It canbe simply and quickly resolved - provided the USA takes no part in any peace process (I think they have done enough damage in the region on behalf of their corporate masters)

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Reply #74 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 8:55pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 8:45pm:

It's interesting that even though they appointed a Zionist Jewish judge to head the U.N report into war crimes during the invasion of Gaza, evidence of war crimes were still discovered, and they still didn't accept it...

Youre joking right? You mean that GOldsteen report? I though he was a South African? CHosen to be impartial

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