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Mar 7th, 2011 at 11:49pm
 

to think you would be appointed to the board because you were a woman .........

the leader of Westpac is there on her performance.
anything less is dishonest



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GOVERNOR-GENERAL Quentin Bryce has advocated the introduction of quotas to ensure more women are appointed as directors on the boards of Australian companies.

In comments that could reignite claims that she has crossed the line between her vice-regal role and politics, Ms Bryce said she believed affirmative action might be the only way to break the stranglehold of the ''old boys' network'' on Australian business.

''I believe the old boys' network is a powerful one,'' she said. ''No one gives up power and privilege willingly, do they?''

Advertisement: Story continues below Senior Labor and Liberal figures last night backed her view. Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said the failure of big business to appoint women directors had reached the point where Parliament should consider ''punitive measures'' to force change.

Appearing on the ABC's Q&A, Mr Hockey suggested a quota of 30 per cent would be reasonable.

Status of Women Minister Kate Ellis said the government would hold a audit in 18 months to gauge whether the number of women on boards had increased, and would take action if needed. Quotas were a last resort, but the government was leaving this option open.

Last year, women made up just 3 per cent of chief executives of the top 200 companies listed on the Australian Securities Exchange, and 8.4 per cent of board members. More than 100 of the top 200 companies had no women on their boards.

Ms Bryce - for decades a leading light in the Australian women's movement - said that while women had made huge progress since she became aware of widespread discrimination as a young barrister in the 1960s, progress had slowed, particularly at the highest levels.

Speaking to The Age on the eve of International Women's Day, Ms Bryce said: ''I think there's a very clear recognition and understanding that the progress of women in business at the very highest decision-making levels is too slow.

''This is a discussion that's going on in every country around the world.

''And a very interesting debate that surrounds it is about whether affirmative action should be taken… to take some positive steps to see that women are better represented on boards and at the highest decision-making levels. I support affirmative action. I support special measures when you need it.''

Asked to elaborate, Ms Bryce said: ''One of the things that is being discussed in Australia now … is whether or not there should be quotas for the representation of women on boards, and there are women who support that and there are others who don't … I believe that in certain circumstances quotas are a valid measure.''

The Governor-General said such a proposal ''sounds like a very radical notion, but it's not''.

She said there were many examples of such action around the world, citing ''education in the US'', where the national government had forced states to accept African Americans in the school system, and legislation in various countries to get more women in parliament.

Later in the interview, the Governor-General amended her definition of what should be done to reduce male domination to ''setting goals and targets''.

''The Australian way of affirmative action is setting goals and recognising discrimination and lack of opportunity and deciding to take action and setting some goals and targets. I guess I prefer that language to talking about quotas,'' she said.

Ms Bryce will spend International Women's Day at events dedicated to women who have worked and fought for the advancement of women.



http://www.theage.com.au/national/gg-calls-for-female-quotas-20110307-1bl80.html
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Reply #1 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 6:38am
 
Yes it has to go on performance, but in reality - it's often the women who do the work behind the scenes for the Board and the CEO - yet the men take the credit for it.

I'm not sure if most of these women care that much though - sometimes the pressure of being at the top isn't worth the money or the prestige.

There are women of course who do want all this, but their numbers are probably not as prolific as their male peers.

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''And a very interesting debate that surrounds it is about whether affirmative action should be taken… to take some positive steps to see that women are better represented on boards and at the highest decision-making levels. I support affirmative action. I support special measures when you need it.''


Well we've got a woman PM and two women premiers. Although it's wonderful that Australia is finally recognising that women are just as capable as men - it's still resented. Australia is still a sexist nation, although it's definitely improving.
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Advertisement: Story continues below Senior Labor and Liberal figures last night backed her view. Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said the failure of big business to appoint women directors had reached the point where Parliament should consider ''punitive measures'' to force change.

Appearing on the ABC's Q&A, Mr Hockey suggested a quota of 30 per cent would be reasonable.



Why 30%? Why not 50% if true bs equality is to be forced?

I suppose 30% is the figure that parliamentarians have come up with in order to secure their fair share of votes; and even then, they strategically place the ladies (of lesser cabinet) in a position to conjure an illusion of there being more females than there actually are. ...They are the ones nodding in background during question time, ya can't miss 'em.

So why gloss over the facts? To be a true asshole, ordinarily you should be male.
There's no room for the touchy feely stuff at the high end of business. You must be prepared to rape and destroy your fellow man. You must be prepared to fund wars and have total disregard for the long term future. That's what big business is all about.

It's of little wonder that only 3% of women have the "wrong stuff" ..and thankfully so.








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Reply #3 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 10:45am
 
Well we've got a woman PM and two women premiers. Although it's wonderful that Australia is finally recognising that women are just as capable as men - it's still resented. Australia is still a sexist nation, although it's definitely improving.

- Mantra


I agree Mantra!

Prime Minister of Aust - woman

Premier of NSW - woman

Governor General of Oz - woman

Governor of NSW - woman

Governor of QLD - woman

Premier of QLD - woman

Premier of Tas - woman


At some stage .. ALL men WILL wake up and finally realize .. women are capable and talented HUMAN BEINGS .. who can do anything they CHOOSE to apply their minds to.

One final comment .. I've always found that denial can be an issue for insecure people. Wonder why that is?

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Reply #4 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 10:50am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 10:45am:
Well we've got a woman PM and two women premiers. Although it's wonderful that Australia is finally recognising that women are just as capable as men - it's still resented. Australia is still a sexist nation, although it's definitely improving.

- Mantra


I agree Mantra!

Prime Minister of Aust - woman

Premier of NSW - woman

Governor General of Oz - woman

Governor of NSW - woman

Governor of QLD - woman

Premier of QLD - woman

Premier of Tas - woman


At some stage .. ALL men will wake up and finally realize .. we're capable and talented HUMAN BEINGS .. who can do anything we put our minds to.
One final comment .. I've always found that denial can be an issue for insecure people.





A nice idea, but ultimately, not one grounded in reality.

If I 'put my mind to' being the fastest man, or strongest man in the world, it still wouldn't be enough.
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Reply #5 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 10:56am
 
At some stage .. ALL men WILL wake up and finally realize .. women are capable and talented HUMAN BEINGS .. who can do anything they CHOOSE to apply their minds to.

One final comment .. I've always found that denial can be an issue for insecure people. Wonder why that is?

- Me (a few moments earlier)

I forgot to mention .. there are MANY secure and enlightened MEN  who understand and agree with what I've stated above.





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Reply #6 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 11:09am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 10:56am:
At some stage .. ALL men WILL wake up and finally realize .. women are capable and talented HUMAN BEINGS .. who can do anything they CHOOSE to apply their minds to.

One final comment .. I've always found that denial can be an issue for insecure people. Wonder why that is?

- Me (a few moments earlier)

I forgot to mention .. there are many secure and enlightened men out there who understand and agree with what I've stated above.







If I choose to apply my mind to becoming preganant, could I do it? 

...or does my physiological make up have some bearing on the success of my endeavours?


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The current Olympic records in men's 56 kilogram weightlifting, 56 kilogram-snatch and 56 kilogram-clean and jerk events are held by Halil Mutlu of Turkey. The records were made in the 2000 Sydney Summer Games. He lifted a weight of 305.0 kilogram in the 56 kilogram event. In the 56 kilogram-snatch and 56 kilogram-clean and jerk, Mutlu lifted 137.5 kilogram and 167.5 kilogram, respectively.

Yanqing Chen of China is the holder of the current Olympic record in women's 58 kilogram weightlifting event. The weight lifted by her in 2004 Athens Summer Games was 237.5 kilograms. She also holds the Olympic record for 58 kilogram-snatch event. In the event, she lifted 107.5 kilogram.


See the point I'm making - we can try as hard as we can, but we are still bound by the limits of our physiology.  Physical feats are easily demonstrated, but that is not to say other aspects of our being do not have similar limitations.

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If I choose to apply my mind to becoming preganant, could I do it?  

- WESLEY

Pregnant you mean? You .. being a man getting pregnant? Was that your point?

Yes you're right .. there are some things men aren't capable of.

Women are aware of this/have been aware of this for some time.

You have only just realised this? Better late than never I suppose.
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Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 11:28am:
If I choose to apply my mind to becoming preganant, could I do it?  

- WESLEY

Pregnant you mean? You .. being a man getting pregnant? Was that your point?

Yes you're right .. there are some things men aren't capable of.

Women are aware of this/have been aware of this for some time.

You have only just realised this? Better late than never I suppose.



Yes, and so it follows that there are also some things women aren't capable of....doesn't it?
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Reply #9 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 11:42am
 
A nice idea, but ultimately, not one grounded in reality.

If I 'put my mind to' being the fastest man, or strongest man in the world, it still wouldn't be enough.

- Wesley


So YOU choose to give up on reaching a goal before even trying.

That's your personal decision.

The fact remains .. if a PERSON (male/female) person puts their mind to achieve a goal .. they will do whatever they can to get there. It's called TRYING.

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Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 11:42am:
A nice idea, but ultimately, not one grounded in reality.

If I 'put my mind to' being the fastest man, or strongest man in the world, it still wouldn't be enough.

- Wesley


So YOU choose to give up on reaching a goal before even trying.

That's your personal decision.

The fact remains .. if a PERSON (male/female) person puts their mind to achieve a goal .. they will do whatever they can to get there. It's called TRYING.




Of course people should try their best - but if/when they fall short, they should also take ownership of it, rather than blaming it on a misogynistic conspiracy to keep women subservient.
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Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said the failure of big business to appoint women directors had reached the point where Parliament should consider ''punitive measures'' to force change.

- from the OP


How humiliating for men .. to see one of their own coming forward to recommend FORCED change because men are too slow to wake up and see the urgent need for change .. themselves.
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Prime Minister of Aust - woman

Governor General of Aust - woman

Premier of NSW - woman

Governor of NSW - woman


Very inspirational! Behind every great woman is an even greater woman IMO!

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Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 12:02pm:
Prime Minister of Aust - woman

Governor General of Aust - woman

Premier of NSW - woman

Governor of NSW - woman


Very inspirational! Behind every great woman is an even greater woman IMO!




weeeeeel if you really wanna play that game...

President of US - Man
PM of China - Man
PM of England - Man
President of France - Man
PM of Italy - Man
PM of Canada - man
PM of NZ - man
PM of Japan - Man

I could go on and on and on...but what would be the point?
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Reply #14 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 12:31pm
 
Well actually .. the difficult point (which interestingly enough you've been avoiding/denying all throughout this topic) .. is this:

Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said the failure of big business to appoint women directors had reached the point where Parliament should consider ''punitive measures'' to force change - from the OP


This topic is ever so humiliating for some men. Why? Because a MAN has come forward to recommend FORCED CHANGE in a statement which essentially acknowledges that men are too slow to wake up and see the urgent need for change themselves.

Great topic Sprint! If anything it's made my day!

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