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Reply #15 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 12:38pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 12:31pm:
Well actually .. the difficult point (which interestingly enough you've been avoiding/denying all throughout this topic) .. is this:

Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said the failure of big business to appoint women directors had reached the point where Parliament should consider ''punitive measures'' to force change - from the OP


This topic is ever so humiliating for some men. Why? Because a MAN has come forward to recommend FORCED CHANGE in a statement which essentially acknowledges that men are too slow to wake up and see the urgent need for change themselves.

Great topic Sprint! If anything it's made my day!



Why would it be humiliating to see a politican pandering for the womans vote? 
And the difficult point (which interestingly enough you've been avoiding/denying all throughout this topic) is this:

If women can do anything just as well as any man, why would punitive measures be necessary?  Surely their merit would speak for itself?
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Reply #16 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 2:33pm
 
There's a lot to be said for time travellers .. given a few turn up from the Dark Ages in topics like this .. from time to time.

Oh and Wesley .. I notice you're still struggling with change. Think of it like sh.it .. it happens.

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Reply #17 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 3:09pm
 
Well this topic is going nowhere.
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Reply #18 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 3:30pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 7th, 2011 at 11:49pm:
to think you would be appointed to the board because you were a woman .........

the leader of Westpac is there on her performance.
anything less is dishonest




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GOVERNOR-GENERAL Quentin Bryce has advocated the introduction of quotas to ensure more women are appointed as directors on the boards of Australian companies.

In comments that could reignite claims that she has crossed the line between her vice-regal role and politics, Ms Bryce said she believed affirmative action might be the only way to break the stranglehold of the ''old boys' network'' on Australian business.

''I believe the old boys' network is a powerful one,'' she said. ''No one gives up power and privilege willingly, do they?''

Advertisement: Story continues below Senior Labor and Liberal figures last night backed her view. Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said the failure of big business to appoint women directors had reached the point where Parliament should consider ''punitive measures'' to force change.

Appearing on the ABC's Q&A, Mr Hockey suggested a quota of 30 per cent would be reasonable.

Status of Women Minister Kate Ellis said the government would hold a audit in 18 months to gauge whether the number of women on boards had increased, and would take action if needed. Quotas were a last resort, but the government was leaving this option open.

Last year, women made up just 3 per cent of chief executives of the top 200 companies listed on the Australian Securities Exchange, and 8.4 per cent of board members. More than 100 of the top 200 companies had no women on their boards.

Ms Bryce - for decades a leading light in the Australian women's movement - said that while women had made huge progress since she became aware of widespread discrimination as a young barrister in the 1960s, progress had slowed, particularly at the highest levels.

Speaking to The Age on the eve of International Women's Day, Ms Bryce said: ''I think there's a very clear recognition and understanding that the progress of women in business at the very highest decision-making levels is too slow.

''This is a discussion that's going on in every country around the world.

''And a very interesting debate that surrounds it is about whether affirmative action should be taken… to take some positive steps to see that women are better represented on boards and at the highest decision-making levels. I support affirmative action. I support special measures when you need it.''

Asked to elaborate, Ms Bryce said: ''One of the things that is being discussed in Australia now … is whether or not there should be quotas for the representation of women on boards, and there are women who support that and there are others who don't … I believe that in certain circumstances quotas are a valid measure.''

The Governor-General said such a proposal ''sounds like a very radical notion, but it's not''.

She said there were many examples of such action around the world, citing ''education in the US'', where the national government had forced states to accept African Americans in the school system, and legislation in various countries to get more women in parliament.

Later in the interview, the Governor-General amended her definition of what should be done to reduce male domination to ''setting goals and targets''.

''The Australian way of affirmative action is setting goals and recognising discrimination and lack of opportunity and deciding to take action and setting some goals and targets. I guess I prefer that language to talking about quotas,'' she said.

Ms Bryce will spend International Women's Day at events dedicated to women who have worked and fought for the advancement of women.



http://www.theage.com.au/national/gg-calls-for-female-quotas-20110307-1bl80.html


Clearly they didn't take into consideration her "performance" at St George.
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Reply #19 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 3:31pm
 
mantra wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 6:38am:
Yes it has to go on performance, but in reality - it's often the women who do the work behind the scenes for the Board and the CEO - yet the men take the credit for it.

I'm not sure if most of these women care that much though - sometimes the pressure of being at the top isn't worth the money or the prestige.

There are women of course who do want all this, but their numbers are probably not as prolific as their male peers.

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''And a very interesting debate that surrounds it is about whether affirmative action should be taken… to take some positive steps to see that women are better represented on boards and at the highest decision-making levels. I support affirmative action. I support special measures when you need it.''


Well we've got a woman PM and two women premiers. Although it's wonderful that Australia is finally recognising that women are just as capable as men - it's still resented. Australia is still a sexist nation, although it's definitely improving.


Do you think, as opposed to widespread sexism, they are resented because all three of them couldn't organise a fugg in a brothel?
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Reply #20 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 3:35pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 12:31pm:
Well actually .. the difficult point (which interestingly enough you've been avoiding/denying all throughout this topic) .. is this:

Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said the failure of big business to appoint women directors had reached the point where Parliament should consider ''punitive measures'' to force change - from the OP


http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/brown/highlight.gifThis topic is ever so humiliating for some men. Why? Because a MAN has come forward to recommend FORCED CHANGE in a statement which essentially acknowledges that men are too slow to wake up and see the urgent need for change themselves.

Great topic Sprint! If anything it's made my day!



Could he be shamelessly buying a few female votes?  Dog knows there will be a significant section of the public that won't vote Gizzard purely based on the contents of her underpants next time around.
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Reply #21 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 4:24pm
 
Could he be shamelessly buying a few female votes?

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Ok .. let's look at what you've stated a little more closely.

It is the job of a politician to BUY votes. Let's not pretend otherwise. The politician who made the comment was a MALE!

So .. tell me again .. why is the comment humiliating FOR WOMEN?

Here it is again:

Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said the failure of big business to appoint women directors had reached the point where Parliament should consider ''punitive measures'' to force change


If anything .. this is ever so humiliating for some men. Why? Because a MAN has come forward to recommend FORCED CHANGE in a statement which essentially acknowledges that men are too slow to wake up and see the urgent need for change themselves.

Just remember .. a MAN made that statement.
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Reply #22 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 4:39pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 4:24pm:
Could he be shamelessly buying a few female votes?

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Ok .. let's look at what you've stated a little more closely.

It is the job of a politician to BUY votes. Let's not pretend otherwise. The politician who made the comment was a MALE!

So .. tell me again .. why is the comment humiliating FOR WOMEN?

Here it is again:

Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said the failure of big business to appoint women directors had reached the point where Parliament should consider ''punitive measures'' to force change


If anything .. this is ever so humiliating for some men. Why? Because a MAN has come forward to recommend FORCED CHANGE in a statement which essentially acknowledges that men are too slow to wake up and see the urgent need for change themselves.

Just remember .. a MAN made that statement.



Yes, with the intention of buying the female vote.  Why would it be humiliating for anyone, except Joe Hockey?
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Reply #23 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 4:44pm
 
Irrespective of the intention (which can only be speculated upon) .. the actual comments of this MALE politician .. humiliates MEN!

He's recommended FORCED CHANGE in a statement which essentially acknowledges that men are too slow to wake up and see the urgent need for change themselves.


You're obviously having trouble dealing with it Wesley. Give it some time .. you'll get there.
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Reply #24 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 4:48pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 4:44pm:
Irrespective of the intention (which can only be speculated upon) .. the actual comments of this MALE politician .. humiliates MEN!




Does it?  Erm...OK.  If you say so.
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Reply #25 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 4:50pm
 
If I SAY so ?? No no no!!

I'm only commenting on what another MALE SAID!!


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Reply #26 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 4:56pm
 
So again - why would what Joe Hockey said be humiliating to anyone, except possibly Joe Hockey?

I can understand the title 'humiliating for women' as it implies that females can't get into positions of power on their own merit, and need legislation to force their way in, qualified or not.

But humiliating for men?  How so?
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GOVERNOR-GENERAL Quentin Bryce has advocated the introduction of quotas to ensure more women are appointed as directors on the boards of Australian companies.

In comments that could reignite claims that she has crossed the line between her vice-regal role and politics, Ms Bryce said she believed affirmative action might be the only way to break the stranglehold of the ''old boys' network'' on Australian business.

''I believe the old boys' network is a powerful one,'' she said. ''No one gives up power and privilege willingly, do they?''

Senior Labor and Liberal figures last night backed her view. Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said the failure of big business to appoint women directors had reached the point where Parliament should consider ''punitive measures'' to force change.

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It's a credit to those senior Labor and Liberal figures who have the honesty and insight to back Australia's Governor General in acknowledging the existence of the old boys' network which effectively functions to lock women out. Very few women are able to break through it .. and so many capable and competent women miss out on a/c of such an anachronistic patriarchal hegemonic system.

It's encouraging to see this level of awareness, acknowledgement and commitment in breaking down these types of barriers so as to give those women who are suitably qualified  .. a chance and an opportunity to prove themselves.

And it's a humiliating indictment on some men when there is a cry for FORCED CHANGE BY MEN.

Humiliating for whom exactly? Those men who are too slow to wake up and see the urgent need for change themselves .. and who need to be TOLD through legislative changes.  

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Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8th, 2011 at 5:18pm:
GOVERNOR-GENERAL Quentin Bryce has advocated the introduction of quotas to ensure more women are appointed as directors on the boards of Australian companies.

In comments that could reignite claims that she has crossed the line between her vice-regal role and politics, Ms Bryce said she believed affirmative action might be the only way to break the stranglehold of the ''old boys' network'' on Australian business.

''I believe the old boys' network is a powerful one,'' she said. ''No one gives up power and privilege willingly, do they?''

Senior Labor and Liberal figures last night backed her view. Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said the failure of big business to appoint women directors had reached the point where Parliament should consider ''punitive measures'' to force change.

- extract from the OP


It's a credit to those senior Labor and Liberal figures who have the honesty and insight to back Australia's Governor General in acknowledging the existence of the old boys' network which effectively functions to lock women out.








How did the Governor General get her gig, if not for her connections, or as she terms it, the 'old boys network'?

Fancy answering how it's humiliating to men anytime soon Lisa?
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Reply #29 - Mar 8th, 2011 at 5:58pm
 
Wesley .. simply refer to any of my previous posts.

One last comment .. your apparent denial issues are beyond the scope of this topic.
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