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Reply #31 - Mar 8^th, 2011 at 6:05pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

GOVERNOR-GENERAL Quentin Bryce has advocated the introduction of quotas to ensure more women are appointed as directors on the boards of Australian companies.

In comments that could reignite claims that she has crossed the line between her vice-regal role and politics, Ms Bryce said she believed affirmative action might be the only way to break the stranglehold of the ''old boys' network'' on Australian business.

''I believe the old boys' network is a powerful one,'' she said. ''No one gives up power and privilege willingly, do they?''

Senior Labor and Liberal figures last night backed her view. Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said the failure of big business to appoint women directors had reached the point where Parliament should consider ''punitive measures'' to force change.

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It's a credit to those senior Labor and Liberal figures who have the honesty and insight to back Australia's Governor General in acknowledging the existence of the old boys' network which effectively functions to lock women out. Very few women are able to break through it .. and so many capable and competent women miss out on a/c of such an anachronistic patriarchal hegemonic system.

It's encouraging to see this level of awareness, acknowledgement and commitment in breaking down these types of barriers so as to give those women who are suitably qualified .. a chance and an opportunity to prove themselves.

And it's a humiliating indictment on some men when there is a cry for FORCED CHANGE BY MEN.

Humiliating for whom exactly? Those men who are too slow to wake up and see the urgent need for change themselves .. and who need to be TOLD through legislative changes.

That's a cop out Wesley?

Hmmm .. like I said .. dealing with your denial issues is beyond the scope of this topic.

I wish you well with all that.

Mean time .. CHANGE IS ON THE WAY (whether you like it or not .. whether you choose to ignore it or not).

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: How humiliating for women Reply #33 - Mar 8^th, 2011 at 6:14pm In other words .. you've got nothing. sighs .. Finally .. many thanks to Sprint for posting this topic. You've made my day
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: How humiliating for women Reply #34 - Mar 8^th, 2011 at 6:17pm Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8^th, 2011 at 6:14pm: In other words .. you've got nothing. sighs .. There comes a time in every womans life, when vague, vapid, meaningless expressions of disapproval and thinly veiled insults are not enough, and an argument of substance is required. That time is now Lisa.
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Reply #35 - Mar 8^th, 2011 at 6:24pm

an argument of substance is required.

- Wesley

Oh I agree. Which brings me to this question --> When are YOU going to put one forward Wesley? Thus far .. you've offered nothing.

Unfortunately .. irrespective of any (pseudo) argument you think you can put forward .. the fact remains .. an acknowledgement from BOTH sides of politics for the need to change the status quo HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.

You just need to deal with it. That is the challenge for you.

Mean time .. we're all moving on and up without you lol

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Reply #36 - Mar 8^th, 2011 at 6:56pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8^th, 2011 at 4:24pm:

Could he be shamelessly buying a few female votes?

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Ok .. let's look at what you've stated a little more closely.

It is the job of a politician to BUY votes. Let's not pretend otherwise. The politician who made the comment was a MALE!

So .. tell me again .. why is the comment humiliating FOR WOMEN?

Here it is again:

Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said the failure of big business to appoint women directors had reached the point where Parliament should consider ''punitive measures'' to force change

If anything .. this is ever so humiliating for some men. Why? Because a MAN has come forward to recommend FORCED CHANGE in a statement which essentially acknowledges that men are too slow to wake up and see the urgent need for change themselves.

Just remember .. a MAN made that statement.

I'm sorry if merely replying to the thread implied that I thought it was humiliating for women; I couldn't disagree more.

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Reply #37 - Mar 9^th, 2011 at 7:08am

I agree that it is humiliating to men if all men associate Hockey as being "one of their own", as told by Enid Blyton, aka Lisa, the fictional storyteller.
But Hockey is not one of "My own". OMG, where did that come from?
That fatass simpleton vote scrounger has less to do with me than a piece of fungus on a log.
I associate myself with many many more females before Mr. Joe "fatass" Hockey. That guy is a complete charlatan.

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Reply #38 - Mar 9^th, 2011 at 9:56am

qikvtec wrote on Mar 8^th, 2011 at 6:56pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8^th, 2011 at 4:24pm:

Could he be shamelessly buying a few female votes?

- qikvtec

Ok .. let's look at what you've stated a little more closely.

It is the job of a politician to BUY votes. Let's not pretend otherwise. The politician who made the comment was a MALE!

So .. tell me again .. why is the comment humiliating FOR WOMEN?

Here it is again:

Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said the failure of big business to appoint women directors had reached the point where Parliament should consider ''punitive measures'' to force change

If anything .. this is ever so humiliating for some men. Why? Because a MAN has come forward to recommend FORCED CHANGE in a statement which essentially acknowledges that men are too slow to wake up and see the urgent need for change themselves.

Just remember .. a MAN made that statement.

I'm sorry if merely replying to the thread implied that I thought it was humiliating for women; I couldn't disagree more.

Maybe 5% of people might see it as humiliating, another 5% see it as a major victory.

But the other 90% will see it for what it is - a cheap throwaway comment from a pollie aimed at swaying a couple of voters.

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Reply #39 - Mar 9^th, 2011 at 12:07pm

These affirmative action programs, whether they be for gender, race, class, ethnicity, gays, or whatever other group, make a mockery of the principles liberal democracy supposedly stands upon. It sweeps away the notion of the importance of the individual over the group, in fact, it reverse it and places groups over individual merit.

The attempted abolition of a meritocracy via affirmative action is a euphemism for revenge against what is higher. The unskilled envy what the skilled possess.

Instead of knuckling down and disciplining yourself to be the best you can at what ever endeavour you want to be good at, the cunning will invent phrases like "affirmative action" as short cut to topple what is higher.

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Reply #41 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 7:14am

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The perpetuation of a "victim-mentality" has to cease. People need to take responsibiity for their actions.

Yes, the "white male caucasian" has become the victim by default of having no claims to victimhood.

Unfortunately, the "white male caucasian" was born perfect in the eyes all others who aren't white and who aren't male.
It's all so easy if you are born white and male. Opportunities for success come knocking on the door every single day of the year Roll Eyes

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Reply #42 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:46am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9^th, 2011 at 12:07pm:

These affirmative action programs, whether they be for gender, race, class, ethnicity, gays, or whatever other group, make a mockery of the principles liberal democracy supposedly stands upon. It sweeps away the notion of the importance of the individual over the group, in fact, it reverse it and places groups over individual merit.

The attempted abolition of a meritocracy via affirmative action is a euphemism for revenge against what is higher. The unskilled envy what the skilled possess.

Instead of knuckling down and disciplining yourself to be the best you can at what ever endeavour you want to be good at, the cunning will invent phrases like "affirmative action" as short cut to topple what is higher.

In short .. you're a male who finds equality threatening because you know damn well that these interventionist policies exist so as to engender EQUITY .. WITHOUT WHICH EQUALITY CANNOT EXIST!

Duh!

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Reply #43 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:48am

Amadd wrote on Mar 10^th, 2011 at 7:14am:

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The perpetuation of a "victim-mentality" has to cease. People need to take responsibiity for their actions.

Yes, the "white male caucasian" has become the victim by default by having no claims to victimhood.

Unfortunately, the "white male caucasian" was born perfect in the eyes all others who aren't white and who aren't male.
It's all so easy if you are born white and male. Opportunities for success come knocking on the door every single day of the year Roll Eyes

Amadd .. stop talking s.hit .. it doesn't suit you. Oh and read my previous reply .. it applies to you too!

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: How humiliating for women Reply #44 - Mar 10^th, 2011 at 11:50am IF ANYTHING is humiliating in this topic .. it CAN ONLY BE the pure unadulterated bovine faecal matter I've seen posted by some men.
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