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Mar 15th, 2011 at 5:54pm
 
Greens target tots, teeth and solar power


THE Greens have urged disenchanted Labor voters to think twice about supporting the Coalition and instead switch their vote to the Greens, pledging free preschool, more dental funding and solar thermal power plants.

The Greens' federal leader, Bob Brown, joined candidates at Balmain Town Hall yesterday for the party's campaign launch in a suburb that was once Labor heartland. Balmain and Marrickville are the two lower house seats the party is tipped to win on March 26.

The upper house MP David Shoebridge said there was a clear appetite for change that would not be met by the Coalition, which is widely backed to win the election and could, with the support of the Shooters and Fishers and Christian Democratic parties, control the upper house.
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''Real change isn't electing a new government that is just going to outsource, to downsize, to franchise and to privatise our key assets and public services,'' Mr Shoebridge said.

Three big policy commitments were made at the launch, including three new baseload solar thermal plants in the state's central west. The first plant would cost $2.1 billion, paid for by issuing $525 million of Green Bonds for each of the four years of construction.

The party also pledged to provide two years' free preschool education for every child, a program targeting 10,000 children in its first stage at a cost of $128 million, and to boost dental care funding by $102.5 million.

Senator Brown said the Coalition leader, Barry O'Farrell, should not be trusted on the environment: ''We've already seen a much more moderate Coalition regime [in Victoria] bring 400 cattle into the delicate alpine national parks of Australia, with no scientific study.''

A recent Newspoll showed primary support for the Greens plummeting 6 points to 11 per cent, while a recent Galaxy poll showed a boost in Greens support in Marrickville to 44 per cent of the primary vote compared with Labor's 33 per cent.

The Coalition yesterday dismissed the Greens' attacks and pointed to their federal alliance with Labor on issues such as the carbon tax.

The Greens have ruled out preferencing Labor in the upper house and most lower house seats.


http://www.smh.com.au/national/state-election-2011/greens-target-tots-teeth-and-...
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Reply #1 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 6:02pm
 
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Greens target tots, teeth and solar power


THE Greens have urged disenchanted Labor voters to think twice about supporting the Coalition and instead switch their vote to the Greens, pledging free preschool, more dental funding and solar thermal power plants.

The Greens' federal leader, Bob Brown, joined candidates at Balmain Town Hall yesterday for the party's campaign launch in a suburb that was once Labor heartland. Balmain and Marrickville are the two lower house seats the party is tipped to win on March 26.

The upper house MP David Shoebridge said there was a clear appetite for change that would not be met by the Coalition, which is widely backed to win the election and could, with the support of the Shooters and Fishers and Christian Democratic parties, control the upper house.
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''Real change isn't electing a new government that is just going to outsource, to downsize, to franchise and to privatise our key assets and public services,'' Mr Shoebridge said.

Three big policy commitments were made at the launch, including three new baseload solar thermal plants in the state's central west. The first plant would cost $2.1 billion, paid for by issuing $525 million of Green Bonds for each of the four years of construction.

The party also pledged to provide two years' free preschool education for every child, a program targeting 10,000 children in its first stage at a cost of $128 million, and to boost dental care funding by $102.5 million.

Senator Brown said the Coalition leader, Barry O'Farrell, should not be trusted on the environment: ''We've already seen a much more moderate Coalition regime [in Victoria] bring 400 cattle into the delicate alpine national parks of Australia, with no scientific study.''

A recent Newspoll showed primary support for the Greens plummeting 6 points to 11 per cent, while a recent Galaxy poll showed a boost in Greens support in Marrickville to 44 per cent of the primary vote compared with Labor's 33 per cent.

The Coalition yesterday dismissed the Greens' attacks and pointed to their federal alliance with Labor on issues such as the carbon tax.

The Greens have ruled out preferencing Labor in the upper house and most lower house seats.


http://www.smh.com.au/national/state-election-2011/greens-target-tots-teeth-and-...

I would have to start liking the far left for that to happen.
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Reply #2 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 6:10pm
 
They, The Greens, have a chance in Western Australia to make more inroads....

...simply because: Barnett is a joke and so is Ripper.

I am a default Labor voter but I will not vote for Eric Ripper ever!

I will probably vote Liberal instead.

Probably not what you want to hear but I want Ripper to get lost and this is the best way to make that happen!

My rationale is simply to get rid of Ripper and then I will switch back to voting Labor and possibly think about voting them 2 with Greens 1......BUT THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN UNTIL I MAKE SURE RIPPER IS TOLD TO GET THE (&^% OUT OF MY HOUSE!

IT'S  Roll EyesMY VOTE AND I WILL DO WHAT I LIKE WITH IT!   Wink Wink

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Reply #3 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 6:13pm
 
kanga wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 6:02pm:
____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 5:54pm:
Greens target tots, teeth and solar power


THE Greens have urged disenchanted Labor voters to think twice about supporting the Coalition and instead switch their vote to the Greens, pledging free preschool, more dental funding and solar thermal power plants.

The Greens' federal leader, Bob Brown, joined candidates at Balmain Town Hall yesterday for the party's campaign launch in a suburb that was once Labor heartland. Balmain and Marrickville are the two lower house seats the party is tipped to win on March 26.

The upper house MP David Shoebridge said there was a clear appetite for change that would not be met by the Coalition, which is widely backed to win the election and could, with the support of the Shooters and Fishers and Christian Democratic parties, control the upper house.
Advertisement: Story continues below

''Real change isn't electing a new government that is just going to outsource, to downsize, to franchise and to privatise our key assets and public services,'' Mr Shoebridge said.

Three big policy commitments were made at the launch, including three new baseload solar thermal plants in the state's central west. The first plant would cost $2.1 billion, paid for by issuing $525 million of Green Bonds for each of the four years of construction.

The party also pledged to provide two years' free preschool education for every child, a program targeting 10,000 children in its first stage at a cost of $128 million, and to boost dental care funding by $102.5 million.

Senator Brown said the Coalition leader, Barry O'Farrell, should not be trusted on the environment: ''We've already seen a much more moderate Coalition regime [in Victoria] bring 400 cattle into the delicate alpine national parks of Australia, with no scientific study.''

A recent Newspoll showed primary support for the Greens plummeting 6 points to 11 per cent, while a recent Galaxy poll showed a boost in Greens support in Marrickville to 44 per cent of the primary vote compared with Labor's 33 per cent.

The Coalition yesterday dismissed the Greens' attacks and pointed to their federal alliance with Labor on issues such as the carbon tax.

The Greens have ruled out preferencing Labor in the upper house and most lower house seats.


http://www.smh.com.au/national/state-election-2011/greens-target-tots-teeth-and-...

I would have to start liking the far left for that to happen.

Go to bunnings: embracing the future aint for little sheltered people like you!  Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #4 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 6:38pm
 
All Australians know the Greens are not interested in free, clean energy and fuel, through public consolidated revenue they are paid price spruikers for the organized crime gangs running carbon trading scams through privatized energy companies and Oil cartels. Cool
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Reply #5 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 6:44pm
 
As I mentioned to you previously Solar Thermal would be the ideal way to go however it costs are massively high and excessive when compared with the cheaper alternatives.
The cheapest energy is coal.
The next best alternative to coal is nuclear. It is clean, it safe and it is cheap.
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Reply #6 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 7:00pm
 
frenchyjen70 wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 6:44pm:
As I mentioned to you previously Solar Thermal would be the ideal way to go however it costs are massively high and excessive when compared with the cheaper alternatives.
The cheapest energy is coal.
The next best alternative to coal is nuclear. It is clean, it safe and it is cheap.




Yes sunshine is so expensive to create ... we have to build a star, mine sunshine and transport it.

Coal that is subsidized by the environment and human health and lowers Australian living standards is cheap ... and as we see in Japan, nuclear is clean, safe and oh so cheap also.





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Reply #7 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 7:07pm
 
____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 7:00pm:
frenchyjen70 wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 6:44pm:
As I mentioned to you previously Solar Thermal would be the ideal way to go however it costs are massively high and excessive when compared with the cheaper alternatives.
The cheapest energy is coal.
The next best alternative to coal is nuclear. It is clean, it safe and it is cheap.




Yes sunshine is so expensive to create ... we have to build a star, mine sunshine and transport it.

Coal that is subsidized by the environment and human health and lowers Australian living standards is cheap ... and as we see in Japan, nuclear is clean, safe and oh so cheap also.





Gee




You dont know how solar thermal plants work.
I tell you that they would be ideal and you jump on onboard without a clue.

The fact is solar thermal are too expensive to build.

Nuclear is cheap and clean and safe.


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Reply #8 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 7:33pm
 
frenchyjen70 wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 7:07pm:
____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 7:00pm:
frenchyjen70 wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 6:44pm:
As I mentioned to you previously Solar Thermal would be the ideal way to go however it costs are massively high and excessive when compared with the cheaper alternatives.
The cheapest energy is coal.
The next best alternative to coal is nuclear. It is clean, it safe and it is cheap.




Yes sunshine is so expensive to create ... we have to build a star, mine sunshine and transport it.

Coal that is subsidized by the environment and human health and lowers Australian living standards is cheap ... and as we see in Japan, nuclear is clean, safe and oh so cheap also.





Gee




You dont know how solar thermal plants work.
I tell you that they would be ideal and you jump on onboard without a clue.

The fact is solar thermal are too expensive to build.

Nuclear is cheap and clean and safe.



I don't think miss ugly understands irony!

No sorry.... whatever that words is I can't think of at the moment!  Shocked Shocked Huh
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Reply #9 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 7:41pm
 
Masdar Raises $600 Million for U.A.E. Solar Project With Total,


AbengoaMasdar, the Abu Dhabi-backed renewable energy company, and its European partners Total SA (FP) and Abengoa SA (ABG) raised $600 million in financing for the Shams 1 concentrated solar thermal plant.

Shams Power Co. received a 22-year loan from 10 lenders including BNP Paribas (BNP), which is also the financial adviser, and National Bank of Abu Dhabi PJSC (NBAD), according to an e-mailed statement today.

Abu Dhabi, the capital of the United Arab Emirates and holder of almost all of the country’s oil reserves, is expanding its use of solar and wind power in an effort to become a regional hub for renewable energy. The emirate is building Masdar City, a business and residential complex designed to emit minimal carbon emissions, and serves as headquarters for the International Renewable Energy Agency.

Shams 1 will be one of the largest concentrated solar power plants in the world, extending over an area of 2.5 square kilometers with a capacity of 100 megawatts. Concentrated solar reflects sunlight, usually with mirrors, to heat liquids that generate power with steam turbines. Photovoltaic plants use solar panels that convert sulight directly to electricity.

Shams Power, which will build, operate and maintain Shams 1, is 60 percent owned by Masdar. Total and Abengoa hold 20 percent each. Construction began in the third quarter of 2010 and will be completed in two years, the statement said.


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Reply #10 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 7:44pm
 
Researchers Use Molten Salt Mixtures to Boost Solar Thermal Plant Efficiency


Siemens aims to enhance the solar thermal plant’s efficiency and in turn reduce power generation costs. Hence, the company’s researchers intend to use molten salts, a blend of potassium and sodium nitrates, in solar thermal projects.


To achieve this aim, Siemens plans to build a pilot facility in Portugal for testing application of molten salts as a heat transfer medium in parabolic power plants. The parabolic power plants employ concave parabolic mirrors, which focuses sunlight using an absorber tube. The tube allows the heat transfer medium to flow through it. Later, the heat gets transformed into power by a generator and a steam turbine. Heat transfer medium’s highest working temperature determines the thermal power process efficiency.

University of Evora in Portugal has been chosen for construction of the pilot facility. The plant will be equipped with a steam generator, pipework system, solar components and pumps to manage the temperatures and properties of heat transfer media and molten salts. Siemens’ scientists will use the pilot results for implementation at commercial plants with more than 50 MW of installed powers. Federal Ministry for the Environment, Germany is funding  this solar thermal pilot plant project.

Siemens Corporate Technology and Siemens Energy researchers work on a major goal to enhance properties and composition of molten salts. Molten salts will be used as an alternative for thermal oil. This boosts the working temperatures ranging from 400° to over 500° Celsius. High vapor pressure and extremely flammable property are major drawbacks of thermal oil, whereas molten salts have about zero vapor pressure and they are non-flammable. Hence, power plant operations will be safe without pressure. In addition, molten salt mixtures possess greater heat storage ability and they are economical for use.

http://www.azom.com/news.asp?newsID=28387
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Reply #11 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 7:59pm
 
The bloke from BEYOND ZERO was talking about 15 hours of storage being attempted.

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Reply #12 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 8:11pm
 
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Researchers Use Molten Salt Mixtures to Boost Solar Thermal Plant Efficiency


Siemens aims to enhance the solar thermal plant’s efficiency and in turn reduce power generation costs. Hence, the company’s researchers intend to use molten salts, a blend of potassium and sodium nitrates, in solar thermal projects.


To achieve this aim, Siemens plans to build a pilot facility in Portugal for testing application of molten salts as a heat transfer medium in parabolic power plants. The parabolic power plants employ concave parabolic mirrors, which focuses sunlight using an absorber tube. The tube allows the heat transfer medium to flow through it. Later, the heat gets transformed into power by a generator and a steam turbine. Heat transfer medium’s highest working temperature determines the thermal power process efficiency.

University of Evora in Portugal has been chosen for construction of the pilot facility. The plant will be equipped with a steam generator, pipework system, solar components and pumps to manage the temperatures and properties of heat transfer media and molten salts. Siemens’ scientists will use the pilot results for implementation at commercial plants with more than 50 MW of installed powers. Federal Ministry for the Environment, Germany is funding  this solar thermal pilot plant project.

Siemens Corporate Technology and Siemens Energy researchers work on a major goal to enhance properties and composition of molten salts. Molten salts will be used as an alternative for thermal oil. This boosts the working temperatures ranging from 400° to over 500° Celsius. High vapor pressure and extremely flammable property are major drawbacks of thermal oil, whereas molten salts have about zero vapor pressure and they are non-flammable. Hence, power plant operations will be safe without pressure. In addition, molten salt mixtures possess greater heat storage ability and they are economical for use.

http://www.azom.com/news.asp?newsID=28387

I could have sworn someone was already doing this some 2 years ago. It may not have worked out as planned but maybe I have missed new information.

It sounded good, especially that it holds the heat for much longer periods. Good for when there is a lack of sunlight.
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Reply #13 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 8:33pm
 
kanga wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 8:11pm:
____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 7:44pm:
Researchers Use Molten Salt Mixtures to Boost Solar Thermal Plant Efficiency


Siemens aims to enhance the solar thermal plant’s efficiency and in turn reduce power generation costs. Hence, the company’s researchers intend to use molten salts, a blend of potassium and sodium nitrates, in solar thermal projects.


To achieve this aim, Siemens plans to build a pilot facility in Portugal for testing application of molten salts as a heat transfer medium in parabolic power plants. The parabolic power plants employ concave parabolic mirrors, which focuses sunlight using an absorber tube. The tube allows the heat transfer medium to flow through it. Later, the heat gets transformed into power by a generator and a steam turbine. Heat transfer medium’s highest working temperature determines the thermal power process efficiency.

University of Evora in Portugal has been chosen for construction of the pilot facility. The plant will be equipped with a steam generator, pipework system, solar components and pumps to manage the temperatures and properties of heat transfer media and molten salts. Siemens’ scientists will use the pilot results for implementation at commercial plants with more than 50 MW of installed powers. Federal Ministry for the Environment, Germany is funding  this solar thermal pilot plant project.

Siemens Corporate Technology and Siemens Energy researchers work on a major goal to enhance properties and composition of molten salts. Molten salts will be used as an alternative for thermal oil. This boosts the working temperatures ranging from 400° to over 500° Celsius. High vapor pressure and extremely flammable property are major drawbacks of thermal oil, whereas molten salts have about zero vapor pressure and they are non-flammable. Hence, power plant operations will be safe without pressure. In addition, molten salt mixtures possess greater heat storage ability and they are economical for use.

http://www.azom.com/news.asp?newsID=28387

I could have sworn someone was already doing this some 2 years ago. It may not have worked out as planned but maybe I have missed new information.

It sounded good, especially that it holds the heat for much longer periods. Good for when there is a lack of sunlight.

No poo sherlock!

Go get a heady off one of your liberal voting mates why don't ya!

Ya poof!
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Reply #14 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 8:45pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 8:33pm:
kanga wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 8:11pm:
____ wrote on Mar 15th, 2011 at 7:44pm:
Researchers Use Molten Salt Mixtures to Boost Solar Thermal Plant Efficiency


Siemens aims to enhance the solar thermal plant’s efficiency and in turn reduce power generation costs. Hence, the company’s researchers intend to use molten salts, a blend of potassium and sodium nitrates, in solar thermal projects.


To achieve this aim, Siemens plans to build a pilot facility in Portugal for testing application of molten salts as a heat transfer medium in parabolic power plants. The parabolic power plants employ concave parabolic mirrors, which focuses sunlight using an absorber tube. The tube allows the heat transfer medium to flow through it. Later, the heat gets transformed into power by a generator and a steam turbine. Heat transfer medium’s highest working temperature determines the thermal power process efficiency.

University of Evora in Portugal has been chosen for construction of the pilot facility. The plant will be equipped with a steam generator, pipework system, solar components and pumps to manage the temperatures and properties of heat transfer media and molten salts. Siemens’ scientists will use the pilot results for implementation at commercial plants with more than 50 MW of installed powers. Federal Ministry for the Environment, Germany is funding  this solar thermal pilot plant project.

Siemens Corporate Technology and Siemens Energy researchers work on a major goal to enhance properties and composition of molten salts. Molten salts will be used as an alternative for thermal oil. This boosts the working temperatures ranging from 400° to over 500° Celsius. High vapor pressure and extremely flammable property are major drawbacks of thermal oil, whereas molten salts have about zero vapor pressure and they are non-flammable. Hence, power plant operations will be safe without pressure. In addition, molten salt mixtures possess greater heat storage ability and they are economical for use.

http://www.azom.com/news.asp?newsID=28387

I could have sworn someone was already doing this some 2 years ago. It may not have worked out as planned but maybe I have missed new information.

It sounded good, especially that it holds the heat for much longer periods. Good for when there is a lack of sunlight.

No poo sherlock!

Go get a heady off one of your liberal voting mates why don't ya!

Ya poof!

What did you say speghetti, your sluring
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