Satire, a defintion


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Is political satire [especially political satire, which constitutes 'self criticism', or criticism of officials] tolerated within ISLAMIC jurisdictions ???

e.g.
Saudi Arabia ???
The ISLAMIC Republic of Iran ???


Personally, i think that political satire is a wonderful [peaceful] weapon to confront ourselves with.

A [peaceful] weapon with which to confront our own hypocrisy, or to confront the hypocrisy of those around us.

What do you think ?

Should open societies tolerate political satire, which lampoons [makes fun of] hypocrites ?

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 16^th, 2011 at 10:02pm:



What will weaken, and what will destroy every society, is when a people forsake truth.



Abu,
Why didn't Jesus show 'respect' and 'reverence' to the Pharisees [the religious leaders of his day] ???

Instead of reverence, Jesus rebuked the Pharisees.

Why ???

Matthew 15:7
Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8  This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Matthew 6:1
Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2  Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3  But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4  That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
5  And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6  But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Luke 16:14
And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.
15  And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.




Abu,
If moslems truly abhor the lifestyle of unbelievers [of the 'West'] as being unholy...
Q.
Why do moslems rebuke the unbelievers, only when they are speaking among fellow moslems ???
A.
Moslems are fear-full.

i.e.
Moslems are, FULL OF FEAR.



If moslems were truly devout [holy], and if moslems respected truth, moslems would openly rebuke the lifestyle of unbelievers, to their faces.

Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

Abu,
Moslems are unable to confront truth.

Q.
Why?

A.
Because in their hearts, many moslems know that they are hypocrites [just like the Pharisees which Jesus confronted were hypocrites].



It is the spirit of truth [God], which moslems are fearful of.

And yes, God is, the spirit of truth.

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.



Repentance can only begin, when we are willing to confront the truth, in our hearts.

Psalms 119:30
I have chosen the way of truth: thy judgments have I laid before me.

Psalms 119:151
Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.

Psalms 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8  The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9  The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

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Did he mock God and make fun of the Tanakh? Of course not.

You don't seem to recognise the difference between mocking corrupted leaders, and God and his religion.

They are worlds apart.

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 16^th, 2011 at 10:02pm:



Why, because 'Islamic society' doesn't have a sense of humour or irony???

Yadda,

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Do you think this position is consistent with the Bible?

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I see you don't mind quoting the Torah when it agrees with you... how about when it agrees with me?

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying... And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, [and] all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger (ie. even the heathen who doesn't believe in God), as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name [of the LORD], shall be put to death. (Leviticus 24:13-16)

I know the answer though, and so does God, hence his revelation about your kind:

Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do. These are the people who buy the life of this world at the price of the Hereafter: their penalty shall not be lightened nor shall they be helped. (Qur'an 2:85-86)

And even in your New Testament (if indeed you pick and choose which parts of the book you want to believe in), it clearly states blasphemy is not forgiven in this world.

whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come. (Matthew 12:32)

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 17^th, 2011 at 5:26pm:




Abu,
Again, again, again, i have explained to you how OT law applies, and to whom it applies.

I did it here;
"more muslim daily madness"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238715411/458#458



Perhaps you too Abu, need to look up the meaning of the word, 'COMPREHENSION' ???
here,
"Is Homophobia A Mental Illness"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298920921/56#56


AND THE STRANGER WOULD BE KILLED TOO ???
YES.

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Gods people were to be and to act, as though they were holy.
And yes, those who sojourned with the holy people of God, IN THEIR LAND, must also, not disrespect the Hebrew God.

And although there are many exemptions, which were noted the the law of Moses, and which [exemptions in conduct] applied to strangers living with the Hebrews, clearly there was no exemption to a stranger, who lived among the Hebrews, IN THEIR LAND, if they mocked God.
They would be killed.



Even strangers were bound by many of the societal laws that the Hebrews had to follow.
And, a stranger who lived among the Hebrews, and tried to entice any Hebrew to worship another God would be killed.

But, strangers who lived among the Hebrews, were [clearly] not killed, because they themselves, were 'unbelievers'.
Strangers who lived among the Hebrews, could themselves, be 'unbelievers', and follow [believe in] another God, but, the stranger was not permitted to openly worship his other god, while living among the Hebrews.
If he wilfully did so, he would be killed for defiling the congregation of the Hebrews.


"26  And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel, and the stranger that sojourneth among them; seeing all the people were in ignorance.
27  And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.
28  And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
29  Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them."
Numbers 15:22-29

Leviticus 4:1-4
Leviticus 4:22-24
Leviticus 4:27-29
Leviticus 5:15-19

BUT, if a soul sin wilfully ['presumptuously'], and 'hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment'...

Numbers 15:30
But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
31  Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.




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abu_rashid wrote on Mar 17^th, 2011 at 5:26pm:


Abu,
I hope that you take note, and truly understand the meaning of the verse above [Matthew 12:32] which you quoted against me.
As, imo, it applies to ALL moslems.



Psalms 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8  The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9  The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.


Psalms 146:8
The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous: