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Re: Are we all equal ?
Reply #90 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 10:08am
 
Locke was one of many thinkers who had a great influence on the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, but he didn't have a monopoloy on secular and libertarian views. His Christian ideas were not exactly orthodox, and most of the rest of the founding fathers and other influences were either Deists or very far from orthodox. To say that the Age of Reason and Secularism sprung from mainstream Christianity is like saying that Satanism came from Christianity. Well I guess they both did in a way, and Christians at the time tarred  Satanists, Atheists and Deists with the same brush.

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1300752332/0#0

Locke - the Father of Liberalism or Contradiction?


Ok Muso, Soren and Time <-- I was hoping you'd join the discussion actually lol ..

I found the Philosophy Forum .. way down, down, down in the bottom of nowhere.

I've started the above topic there in order to examine Locke and a few of his ideas.

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Reply #91 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 10:29am
 


yadda - so god favoured many women ?


well, favouring anyone is unequal



Yadda wrote on Mar 21st, 2011 at 10:59am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 21st, 2011 at 10:34am:
Thanks again for posting all this for everyone to see.

It's impt that everyone sees what the Holy Bible has to say about racism and sexism.



Lisa,

The Bible shows that many women were 'favoured' by God.

e.g.
Ruth, who was both a 'stranger' and, a woman.    Wink

Ruth was a Moabitess [a woman of Moab], i.e. a people who were traditional enemies of Israel.

And, Ruth was the great grandmother of King David.



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Reply #92 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 10:55am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 22nd, 2011 at 10:05am:
I tutor sociology



That's terrible. Verily, great is your affliction, brother. I'm so sorry for you. Sociology, of all things! How dreadful! And soooo '70s!
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Reply #93 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 11:15am
 
yadda - so god favoured many women ?


well, favouring anyone is unequal

- Sprint to Yadda

I know I am not Yadda but I'm a Christian like him .. and like him .. I am absolutely disgusted with you Sprint!

1stly - since when did God suddenly become god? Hmm?

2ndly - you know damn well that God favoured MEN AND WOMEN!

In so doing GOD favoured BOTH .. which ONCE AGAIN proves that your pro sexist rubbish is non Biblical based.

If anything it calls into question your supposed profession as a Christian!

How dare you attempt to dirty a holy God with your pro sexist and pro racist, anti Scriptural garbage! You've attempted to prove God is sexist/racist a few times and in all instances .. you have failed! Why? Because GOD is not the pro sexist/pro racist person YOU are.

If your own posts are anything to go by .. you don't know much about God at all. What you do know is this: you MUST hold onto an extremist right wing political ideology which is struggling for legitimacy in your little confused head .. and your pathetic posts to date indicate you're a man in spiritual turmoil.

You are CLEARLY in the wrong here Sprint! Don't expect any support at all from the Christian posters on this message board .. because we've already had to SHOW YOU (OVERTLY BY SPOON-FEEDING YOU LIKE A BABY) that God himself doesn't support your pro sexist and pro racist rubbish .. and we've done so by barraging your stupidity with so much of God's own WORD already.

It's so called "Christians" like you who give Christianity a bad name!

And to think .. I've had the guts to take you on .. and I'm a woman too. Well .. I would have done the same had I been born a male!

There is NO place for your pro sexist/pro racist rubbish in Christianity .. and there is no place for it in society either.


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Reply #94 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 11:28am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 22nd, 2011 at 10:29am:

yadda - so god favoured many women ?


well, favouring anyone is unequal






God's word states that God does favour certain individuals.

But on what basis, is God's 'favouritism' 'given' ???


"Are we all equal ?"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1300371718/64#64
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If we are all equal before God, then in what way does God judge, between one man, and another man ?


Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35  But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Romans 2:8
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9  Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10  But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11  For there is no respect of persons with God.
12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)







God's consistent advice, to those who love him, MkI....


John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
...
21  He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Matthew 19:17
....if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18  He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19  Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1 Corinthians 2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


God's consistent advice, to those who love him, MkII....


"...Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."
2 Corinthians 6:14-18
James 4:4
1 John 2:15

Our separation from what God hates, is a theme carried over from the OT;
Leviticus 18:24
Leviticus 20:23, 24, 26
Deuteronomy 7:6
Deuteronomy 14:2



Quote:

"It is the life that is obedient to God and separated from the world that provides the proof of one's conversion."





And imo, of all branches of Christian organised religion, are the religion of man.

2 Timothy 3:5
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof:...


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There will NOT be a revival among the 'believers'...

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Romans 9:27
Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Luke 17:26
And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27  They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

'as it was in the days of Noe'  ???

Genesis 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
11  ....and the earth was filled with violence.


God seeks a clean heart, not those who are worldly 'wise' [i.e. not those who seek only to be 'on the winning side'].


1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Those in rebellion against God's righteousness, displace the spirit of God!

They themselves, 'push' God's spirit away.

That is the wisdom of God.

The 'wicked', are 'self-selecting', in as much as they abhor God's righteousness [laws], in as much as they choose to do what is right in their own eyes, his spirit refuses to mingle or 'dwell' with them.

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Re: Are we all equal ?
Reply #95 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 12:19pm
 
Excellent Yadda! Keep hammering the Word of God at him ...

And let's not forget this precious little gem from the New Testament of the Holy Bible ..

And it shall come to pass in the last days said God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy ..

Acts 2:17


NB ALL FLESH means ALL RACES!

NB SONS AND DAUGHTERS means MEN AND WOMEN!

Inclusive words/phrases like this grate against sexism and racism .. and so they should because God is NOT sexist nor is he racist!
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Reply #96 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 12:26pm
 

yadda
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.......God's word states that God does favour certain individuals......


which makes me think, we are not all equal.
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Reply #97 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 1:04pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 22nd, 2011 at 12:26pm:
yadda
Quote:
.......God's word states that God does favour certain individuals......


which makes me think, we are not all equal.





We are not equal in our circumstances.

But not equal in choice ???

I think that yes, we are equal in choice.

e.g.
Even where [i.e. IF ] the circumstances of two men were equal,
a good man will make a good choice [in that equal circumstance, or, hardship],
while it is likely that,
a wicked man will make a poor choice [in that equal circumstance, or, hardship].


As Jesus and Paul, pointed out;

Matthew 12:35
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.


Romans 2:14
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)




As i tried to make clear here;

"Are we all equal ?"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1300371718/9#9
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IMO,

Our circumstances, are never really within our control.

Certainly not the circumstances we are born into.

Our choices, always are - within our control.

In this life, we can make good choices, and/or, we can make poor choices.

The choices we make, are ours alone, imo.





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Reply #98 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 1:11pm
 
Soren wrote on Mar 22nd, 2011 at 10:55am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 22nd, 2011 at 10:05am:
I tutor sociology



That's terrible. Verily, great is your affliction, brother. I'm so sorry for you. Sociology, of all things! How dreadful! And soooo '70s!



Grin

I think Max Weber still has a bit to offer though.
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Reply #99 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 1:12pm
 
Yadda .. you previously mentioned this verse from the Holy Bible:

"God is no respecter of persons"

Could you kindly explain what this actually means?

Does it mean God considers some people to be higher than others based on something like sex or race .. for instance?

Or does it mean that in the eyes of God we are all the same .. we are all equal?


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Reply #100 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 1:15pm
 
Why are we still talking about God. He/she/it has no bearing on the matter. Equality is a human idea.

On another note, there's an interesting mix in the thinkers of equality, with classical liberals on the one side arguing for it, and Marxists on the other arguing for it as well. Leftists and rightists both arguing for the same thing????? Who would have thought it!
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Reply #101 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 1:37pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 22nd, 2011 at 1:12pm:
Yadda .. you previously mentioned this verse from the Holy Bible:

"God is no respecter of persons"

Could you kindly explain what this actually means?

Does it mean God considers some people to be higher than others based on something like sex or race .. for instance?

Or does it mean that in the eyes of God we are all the same .. we are all equal?






Romans 2:11
For there is no respect of persons with God.


IMO,
When we come to judgement,

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8  For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

God will judge the guilty, as guilty, and the righteous as righteous.

God will not excuse wilful wickedness in anyone.

He cannot, and remain holy.

Psalms 5:4
For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
5  The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6  Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.


Just like darkness and light cannot dwell together.

Neither can God, dwell with the wicked.

It is an impossibility.


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"God is no respecter of persons"

e.g.
Leviticus 19:15
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.



What about people who have been wicked, but now truly repent their foolishness ???

God offers those people forgiveness, and, mercy.

God has the power to heal us, to purge away the stain of our sins, if we repent.



Psalms 34:18
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

Psalms 51:17
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7  Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Isaiah 57:15
For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
16  For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.

Isaiah 66:2
...to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.




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Jeremiah 17:10
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Psalms 11:4
The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5  The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Psalms 146:8
The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:


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Reply #102 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 1:43pm
 
Ok Yadda ..

Many thanks for your detailed answer. The above portions of scripture which you've quoted .. clearly demonstrate that we are all equal before God and that God gives us all equal opportunities. Right?

If that is correct .. then what does this say about God and racism/ sexism?

Is God pro racist/pro sexist? Or is he anti sexist/anti racist?

Do you think God would want us to be racist or sexist?

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Reply #103 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 3:46pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 22nd, 2011 at 10:05am:
All this talk of equality (and believe me I hear it, read it, and talk about it everyday because I tutor sociology)


Do you just teach sociology, or are you a practicing social worker too?  Tongue

Well at least you don't teach philosophy.
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Reply #104 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 3:49pm
 
[quote author=it_is_the_light link=1300371718/75#76 date=1300670145]


many of these ones are freemasons..[highlight]maybe sprinter

is a freemason[/highlight] in the flock of christians catholics muslims

there are many.

namaste

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He's not a freemason - He's just a very naughty boy  ;D
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