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Reply #135 - Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:15pm
 
Superman1 wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:04pm:
Nup nuthin' physical

Then we're all equal in our capacity to imagine our own superiority.
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Reply #136 - Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:34pm
 
Needless to say, the question 'are we equal' can be thought of only in a society where there is an underlying God-is-Love idea and then the question makes sense. It then means "are we equal (before god) who made us in his own image"?

The question would not occur to tribal people in the Amazon or PNG. Or to any culture other than a Judeao-Christian one.

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Reply #137 - Jul 9th, 2011 at 3:44am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:15pm:
Superman1 wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:04pm:
Nup nuthin' physical

Then we're all equal in our capacity to imagine our own superiority.



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Reply #138 - Jul 9th, 2011 at 7:02am
 
quite true soren

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Reply #139 - Jul 9th, 2011 at 10:29am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:34pm:
Needless to say, the question 'are we equal' can be thought of only in a society where there is an underlying God-is-Love idea and then the question makes sense. It then means "are we equal (before god) who made us in his own image"?

The question would not occur to tribal people in the Amazon or PNG. Or to any culture other than a Judeao-Christian one.


The question makes sense and is poignant to anyone anywhere who sees nothing but inequality.

The privileged in any society are happy to promote the idea of equality to the unprivileged masses where it helps to preserve their privileged status. Did Thomas Jefferson believe when he wrote the 'magnificent' Declaration of Independence that he and his 'founding father' peers were equal to the slaves on his plantation? Where was this 'equality' he spoke of 'self-evident'?

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Reply #140 - Jul 10th, 2011 at 11:19pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 9th, 2011 at 10:29am:

The question makes sense and is poignant to anyone anywhere who sees nothing but inequality.

The privileged in any society are happy to promote the idea of equality to the unprivileged masses where it helps to preserve their privileged status. Did Thomas Jefferson believe when he wrote the 'magnificent' Declaration of Independence that he and his 'founding father' peers were equal to the slaves on his plantation? Where was this 'equality' he spoke of 'self-evident'?





Poor old Thomas Jefferson.


'Are we all equal ?'


Yes and no.

No.

We are not all equal.

We all have differing capacities and talents, depending largely upon the luck of who our parents were [genes], and where we were born [1st world thru to 3rd world].


Yes.

The rain and sun fall on us all equally.


Q.
But should we be engaged in a struggle to make all mankind 'equal' ?

Should we all be dedicated to 'egalitarianism' ???

IMO, no.



Dictionary;
egalitarian = = believing in or based on the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.


If i did believe in egalitarianism i would be seeking to burst open the gates of all of our prisons.

I would be seeking to disarm our defence forces.

To disband our [oppressive] police services.

And to close our law courts.

Because in an egalitarian society, we would clearly have no need for such institutions, and services.



But, the consequences of assuming that we could be 'equal' and have equal rights, and seeking to give all persons equal rights, in a society such as ours, imo, would never work.

It would never be practical.

Why not ?

Because we all innately seem to grow up into individuals who have differing capacities and talents.

And because 'p!sssing into the wind' always seemed to me, to be a very silly thing to try to do.

And, trying to artificially transform and treat an innately dumb kid, into, and as though they were an innately smart kid [and to then give them both exactly the same reward, for the consequences of each of their individual efforts], would also seem to me to be a very silly thing to do.

e.g.
As a resident of Sydney, would you like to have the construction of your SydHarb bridge overseen by qualified engineers [as it was] ?

OR, in the interests of giving every idiot an even break, would you like to have your SydHarb bridge constructed by nincompoops ?

[Yes, its a real word.]

Dictionary;
nincompoop /"nINk@mpu;p/
· n. a stupid person.





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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #141 - Jul 11th, 2011 at 11:23am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:57pm:
muso wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 8:13pm:
That's nice. I'm equal to 55.

Chromosomes?

years
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Reply #142 - Jul 11th, 2011 at 8:04pm
 
muso wrote on Jul 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:57pm:
muso wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 8:13pm:
That's nice. I'm equal to 55.

Chromosomes?

years

Ah the years!

Wiser or dumber?
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Reply #143 - Jul 12th, 2011 at 11:07am
 
Quote:
And, trying to artificially transform and treat an innately dumb kid, into, and as though they were an innately smart kid [and to then give them both exactly the same reward, for the consequences of each of their individual efforts], would also seem to me to be a very silly thing to do.


G.W.Bush is a prime example of why we should respect inequality.

Quote:
"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."


Neither man nor fish...an amphibian amongst men!



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Reply #144 - Jul 12th, 2011 at 11:56am
 
Amadd wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 11:07am:
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And, trying to artificially transform and treat an innately dumb kid, into, and as though they were an innately smart kid [and to then give them both exactly the same reward, for the consequences of each of their individual efforts], would also seem to me to be a very silly thing to do.


G.W.Bush is a prime example of why we should respect inequality.







LOL


Exactly so, Amadd.



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #145 - Jul 23rd, 2011 at 10:06pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 10th, 2011 at 11:19pm:
As a resident of Sydney, would you like to have the construction of your SydHarb bridge overseen by qualified engineers [as it was] ?

OR, in the interests of giving every idiot an even break, would you like to have your SydHarb bridge constructed by nincompoops ?



My frien, you are most mistaken. The Syd Ha'arb Bridge is wonderful construction in Lahore, Pakistan.

It was not built by the nincompoops, but by the djin.

Allah Uakbar!
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Reply #146 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 9:29pm
 
So, after all that madness, does 1+1 = 1?
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Reply #147 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 9:33pm
 
Superman1 wrote on Aug 6th, 2011 at 9:29pm:
So, after all that madness, does 1+1 = 1?

It does... Its called conception.
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Reply #148 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 9:52pm
 
But that's inferior, for it's propagating man's clone. INSTEAD OF PROGRESSING.

HHA, MWAHAHAH...MWAHAGHHAGAH HAGHhh

But right you are it is equal therefore, in the horrible error of all.
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Reply #149 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 10:01pm
 
Superman1 wrote on Aug 6th, 2011 at 9:52pm:
But that's inferior, for it's propagating man's clone. INSTEAD OF PROGRESSING.

Errr... No... it's the promotion of genetic diversity... 1 egg + 1 sperm = 1 zygote.
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