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Superman1 Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 197	Re: Are we all equal ? Reply #150 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:06pm But I mean that genetics are dominated by the mental, or thought.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Are we all equal ? Reply #152 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:38pm Superman1 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:06pm: But I mean that genetics are dominated by the mental, or thought. It's driven by instinct... A bit deeper than conscious thought.
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Reply #153 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:04pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:38pm:

Superman1 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:06pm:

But I mean that genetics are dominated by the mental, or thought.

It's driven by instinct... A bit deeper than conscious thought.

True, but instinct is driven by habit, which initially, is conscious thought. We chose to do things a few times, they become habit, then instinct, then over a few generations, genetics.

Painters and musicians, gamblers and alcoholics sometimes pass these traits on.

The sins of the father are visited upon the son.

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Reply #154 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:05pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:38pm:

Superman1 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:06pm:

But I mean that genetics are dominated by the mental, or thought.

It's driven by instinct... A bit deeper than conscious thought.

True, but instinct is driven by habit, which initially, is conscious thought. We chose to do things a few times, they become habit, then instinct, then over a few generations, genetics.

No one chooses to get into the habit of the sex drive.

Guess you haven't heard that a standing cock has no conscience.

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Reply #155 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:06pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:38pm:

Superman1 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:06pm:

But I mean that genetics are dominated by the mental, or thought.

It's driven by instinct... A bit deeper than conscious thought.

True, but instinct is driven by habit, which initially, is conscious thought. We chose to do things a few times, they become habit, then instinct, then over a few generations, genetics.

No one chooses to get into the habit of the sex drive.

Guess you haven't heard that a standing cock has no conscience.

No, but what it's attracted to is. Sure, they say it's all genes. Crap.

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Reply #156 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:08pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:06pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:38pm:

Superman1 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:06pm:

But I mean that genetics are dominated by the mental, or thought.

It's driven by instinct... A bit deeper than conscious thought.

True, but instinct is driven by habit, which initially, is conscious thought. We chose to do things a few times, they become habit, then instinct, then over a few generations, genetics.

No one chooses to get into the habit of the sex drive.

Guess you haven't heard that a standing cock has no conscience.

No, but what it's attracted to is. Sure, they say it's all genes. Crap.

Do you think you could teach yourself to get hot over the thought of rooting a goat's arse? (Assuming that's not what attracts you now).

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Reply #157 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:11pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:06pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:38pm:

Superman1 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:06pm:

But I mean that genetics are dominated by the mental, or thought.

It's driven by instinct... A bit deeper than conscious thought.

True, but instinct is driven by habit, which initially, is conscious thought. We chose to do things a few times, they become habit, then instinct, then over a few generations, genetics.

No one chooses to get into the habit of the sex drive.

Guess you haven't heard that a standing cock has no conscience.

No, but what it's attracted to is. Sure, they say it's all genes. Crap.

Do you think you could teach yourself to get hot over the thought of rooting a goat's arse? (Assuming that's not what attracts you now).

My frien, I do this with pretty lady goat in Lahore.

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Reply #158 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:12pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:11pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:06pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:38pm:

Superman1 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:06pm:

But I mean that genetics are dominated by the mental, or thought.

It's driven by instinct... A bit deeper than conscious thought.

True, but instinct is driven by habit, which initially, is conscious thought. We chose to do things a few times, they become habit, then instinct, then over a few generations, genetics.

No one chooses to get into the habit of the sex drive.

Guess you haven't heard that a standing cock has no conscience.

No, but what it's attracted to is. Sure, they say it's all genes. Crap.

Do you think you could teach yourself to get hot over the thought of rooting a goat's arse? (Assuming that's not what attracts you now).

My frien, I do this with pretty lady goat in Lahore.

Gee... What a surprise Roll Eyes

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Reply #159 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:20pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:12pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:11pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:06pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:38pm:

Superman1 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:06pm:

But I mean that genetics are dominated by the mental, or thought.

It's driven by instinct... A bit deeper than conscious thought.

True, but instinct is driven by habit, which initially, is conscious thought. We chose to do things a few times, they become habit, then instinct, then over a few generations, genetics.

No one chooses to get into the habit of the sex drive.

Guess you haven't heard that a standing cock has no conscience.

No, but what it's attracted to is. Sure, they say it's all genes. Crap.

Do you think you could teach yourself to get hot over the thought of rooting a goat's arse? (Assuming that's not what attracts you now).

My frien, I do this with pretty lady goat in Lahore.

Gee... What a surprise Roll Eyes

Don't knock goats. Plenty of goats get it all the time.

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Reply #160 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:21pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:20pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:12pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:11pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:06pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:38pm:

Superman1 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:06pm:

But I mean that genetics are dominated by the mental, or thought.

It's driven by instinct... A bit deeper than conscious thought.

True, but instinct is driven by habit, which initially, is conscious thought. We chose to do things a few times, they become habit, then instinct, then over a few generations, genetics.

No one chooses to get into the habit of the sex drive.

Guess you haven't heard that a standing cock has no conscience.

No, but what it's attracted to is. Sure, they say it's all genes. Crap.

Do you think you could teach yourself to get hot over the thought of rooting a goat's arse? (Assuming that's not what attracts you now).

My frien, I do this with pretty lady goat in Lahore.

Gee... What a surprise Roll Eyes

Don't knock goats. Plenty of goats get it all the time.

Thought you're the one who's doing the knocking Grin

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Reply #162 - Aug 8^th, 2011 at 9:15am

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True, but instinct is driven by habit, which initially, is conscious thought. We chose to do things a few times, they become habit, then instinct, then over a few generations, genetics.

Painters and musicians, gamblers and alcoholics sometimes pass these traits on.

The sins of the father are visited upon the son.

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No one chooses to get into the habit of the sex drive.

Guess you haven't heard that a standing cock has no conscience.

Both good points. I think Karnal is right in that instinct is deeply ingrained habit, and that after, say, hundreds of years it becomes "genetic". Our most frequent habits are the oldest instincts. Like the desire for group association and protection is probably as old as human beings themselves. But, I think Helian has a point that the sex drive must be primordial. Otherwise, we get stuck in a regress argument whereby human beings were taught by some "thing" external to themselves on how and why to reproduce. In short, if the sex drive is not innate, it must come from without. This doesn't make sense as it makes human beings out to be empty vessels waiting to be filled with information, and only then can it act at all. (If it is true we are empty vessels then the regress argument falls into further problems, like, how does the human learn? Is learning how to learn taught as well? If so, then we must learn how to learn on learning, and so on ad infinitum. Contrary to this, human beings must be primordially equipped with something like "grasping mechanisms").
The idea of the sex drive being the motor of existence isn't old. I am sure Plato stated eros was the basis of all life.

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Reply #163 - Aug 8^th, 2011 at 3:33pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 8^th, 2011 at 9:15am:

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True, but instinct is driven by habit, which initially, is conscious thought. We chose to do things a few times, they become habit, then instinct, then over a few generations, genetics.

Painters and musicians, gamblers and alcoholics sometimes pass these traits on.

The sins of the father are visited upon the son.

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Helian wrote
No one chooses to get into the habit of the sex drive.

Guess you haven't heard that a standing cock has no conscience.

Both good points. I think Karnal is right in that instinct is deeply ingrained habit, and that after, say, hundreds of years it becomes "genetic". Our most frequent habits are the oldest instincts. Like the desire for group association and protection is probably as old as human beings themselves. But, I think Helian has a point that the sex drive must be primordial. Otherwise, we get stuck in a regress argument whereby human beings were taught by some "thing" external to themselves on how and why to reproduce. In short, if the sex drive is not innate, it must come from without. This doesn't make sense as it makes human beings out to be empty vessels waiting to be filled with information, and only then can it act at all. (If it is true we are empty vessels then the regress argument falls into further problems, like, how does the human learn? Is learning how to learn taught as well? If so, then we must learn how to learn on learning, and so on ad infinitum. Contrary to this, human beings must be primordially equipped with something like "grasping mechanisms").
The idea of the sex drive being the motor of existence isn't old. I am sure Plato stated eros was the basis of all life.

Freud thought eros was learned - through unconscious systems like the Oedepal Complex. Sometimes though, things go awry and you get fetishes.

Drug addicts have a similar instinct towards drugs. Some have them towards money. I know sex seems more compulsive than other drives, but try going without food for a while. This is why people in religious and spiritual traditions fast. You can learn about your instincts, and you can learn how to overcome them - but they are not "you".

Our instincts are not as powerful as evolutionary biology gives them credit for. Nor are they are not the basis for our identity, as sexual politics would have you believe.

Instincts CAN be changed - or at the very least, known.

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Reply #164 - Aug 8^th, 2011 at 9:10pm

An interesting observation that some compulsive gamblers have reported... When they're on a gambling bender, they lose their sex drive... When they've lost all their money, their sex drive returns with a vengeance.

Does their obsessive-compulsive disorder (manifesting as their need to gamble) somehow co-opt the sex drive? Or is it repressed by the their disorder?

My bet is on the former.

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