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Reply #45 - Mar 20^th, 2011 at 1:39pm

Ahh yess Lisa, you missed an important word there which was "if"
Nowhere did I state that this is written in the bible.
I was merely referring to how far one might take the meaning of "equality".

In the next paragraph, I referred to what religious texts might say about equality, such as:
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Gal. 3:28)

I can't say that I'm surprised that you think you own the definition of God.

- Amadd

The religious text you are referring to IS the Bible. And Amadd .. read your own extracts from it .. notice how they have nothing at all to do with the idea of ALL CREATURES BEING EQUAL BEFORE GOD (which is your original assertion)?

In fact .. the sections you have NOW quoted from the Bible .. refer to human beings only. Ya dig?

If you care to read the Bible .. you will see that human beings have a special place above animals in God's eyes.

That is how God sees it. That is what His Word states.

The fact that I know/have read the Bible doesn't mean I own the definition of God either. As I said .. it means I know what I am talking about.

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Reply #46 - Mar 20^th, 2011 at 1:51pm

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you will see that human beings have a special place above animals in God's eyes.

Yet animals can live quite easily without humans but humans would find it very hard to live without animals.
We eat them.
Even those that don't eat them use animal products like cheese, the only people not reliant on animals are vegans, and many of them use animals to plough their fields. I think your fictional god buggered up.

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Reply #47 - Mar 20^th, 2011 at 2:02pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 20^th, 2011 at 1:51pm:

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you will see that human beings have a special place above animals in God's eyes.

Yet animals can live quite easily without humans but humans would find it very hard to live without animals.
We eat them.
Even those that don't eat them use animal products like cheese, the only people not reliant on animals are vegans, and many of them use animals to plough their fields. I think your fictional god buggered up.

NO! NO! NO!! The Bible shows that God's original intention for creation was VERY different to what you and I see today.

Even so .. man/woman was created by God to hold a place ABOVE animals and plants.

And it wasn't God who fracked up at all .. it was HUMANS who fracked up. Sin (ie humans CHOOSING to sin) unfortunately interrupted the situation and introduced all sorts of glitches/issues.

NB I've had to summarize a lot here ok?

Tip: READ THE BIBLE for a more detailed account.

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Are we all equal ? Reply #48 - Mar 20^th, 2011 at 2:06pm Quote: NB I've had to summarise a lot here ok? And made no sense whatsoever in doing so. I hate to tell you this, but humans are just animals, evolved from apes.
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Reply #49 - Mar 20^th, 2011 at 2:16pm

Fine .. it's just that God and the Holy Bible beg to differ with your opinion.

Re making sense etc .. read the Bible for a more detailed account.

You can google the Bible now .. here .. read about when God made animals and humans. NB the context, timing of when and why God made humans .. all for yourself.

http://niv.scripturetext.com/genesis/1-1.htm

http://niv.scripturetext.com/genesis/2.htm

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Reply #50 - Mar 20^th, 2011 at 2:26pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 20^th, 2011 at 2:16pm:

Fine .. it's just that God and the Holy Bible beg to differ with your opinion.

Re making sense etc .. read the Bible for a more detailed account.

You can google the Bible now .. here .. read about when God made animals and humans. NB the context, timing of when and why God made humans .. all for yourself.

http://niv.scripturetext.com/genesis/1-1.htm

http://niv.scripturetext.com/genesis/2.htm

Lisa, I don't believe in fairies in the sky sweet thing, I believe in reality, you should try it some time.
I hate to tell you this, as you seem like a sucker, but the bible is all fairy tales and bullsh it.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Are we all equal ? Reply #51 - Mar 20^th, 2011 at 2:33pm I knew you were gonna say something like that Skippy. Sweet thing eh lol
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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Are we all equal ? Reply #52 - Mar 20^th, 2011 at 2:47pm Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 20^th, 2011 at 2:33pm: I knew you were gonna say something like that Skippy. Sweet thing eh lol Well I dont want to make you jealous but I've just called Bridonta sweet thing as well,but, some people say I'm condescending.
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Reply #53 - Mar 20^th, 2011 at 4:15pm

mantra - hahhahah - some agnostics have been the more spiritual people I have met.
Likewise, some of the "welleducated religious people" would not know anything spiritual if it hit them in the face.
they were not "taught" it at sunday school, so they don't know it.

ie, that quote on a fools mouth, you understood easily.
Who would not ??

mantra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2011 at 10:48am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 20^th, 2011 at 10:29am:

lisa Quote:

...........I only had to read this far before I realized that you've never read the Bible .. and as such you were posting utter nonsense.

The Bible does NOT say that ALL CREATURES ARE EQUAL! YOU HAVE MADE THAT UP!

Amadd .. if you are going to quote from or paraphrase sections of the Bible .. could you at the VERY least know wtf you are talking about FIRST?

It might be an idea to read it hey. Why? Because this sort of BS gets annoying (after a while) esp for those of us who have. .

A fool’s mouth lashes out with pride,
but the lips of the wise protect them.

Proverbs 14:3

That was very profound Sprintcyclist and even though I'm only an agnostic - I understood exactly what you meant.

here are some tougher quotes for you mantra.
They are from when Jesus was railing against the pharisees.
When a spiritual man set his face against the aristoracy of "educated religious leaders" who were arrogant and excluded people from a spiritual life.

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“Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God.
You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.

luke 11:42

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Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.

luke 11:46

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52 “Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge.
You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”

luke 11:52

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Re: Are we all equal ?
Reply #54 - Mar 20^th, 2011 at 4:17pm

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The religious text you are referring to IS the Bible.

How can I be quoting or paraphrasing the bible with something that is not even there?

I thought I just threw up a few definitions of what "in God's eyes" might mean to different people, eg: animal liberationists.
I also separated them from what religious texts might say about equality.

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That is how God sees it. That is what His Word states.

Ok, so there can be no other interpretation of God other than what is written in the bible?

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The fact that I know/have read the Bible doesn't mean I own the definition of God either. As I said .. it means I know what I am talking about.

Do you mean that the bible owns God?

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Re: Are we all equal ?
Reply #56 - Mar 20^th, 2011 at 5:22pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 20^th, 2011 at 2:47pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 20^th, 2011 at 2:33pm:

I knew you were gonna say something like that Skippy.

Sweet thing eh lol Tongue

Well I dont want to make you jealous but I've just called Bridonta sweet thing as well,but, some people say I'm condescending. Undecided

Ha ha .. IQ is gonna be jealous IF he sees this .. smirks Tongue

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Reply #57 - Mar 20^th, 2011 at 5:25pm

Soren wrote on Mar 20^th, 2011 at 4:21pm:

muso wrote on Mar 18^th, 2011 at 11:30pm:

We are all different.

Er... I'm not....

Ahh .. well said Soren (as usual)!

Life Of Brian eh lol?

Brian: Please, please, please listen! I've got one or two things to say.
The Crowd: Tell us! Tell us both of them!
Brian: Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for your selves! You're ALL individuals!
The Crowd: Yes! We're all individuals!
Brian: You're all different!
The Crowd: Yes, we ARE all different!
Man in crowd: I'm not...

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Reply #58 - Mar 20^th, 2011 at 7:43pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 20^th, 2011 at 4:15pm:

here are some tougher quotes for you mantra.

They are from when Jesus was railing against the pharisees.
When a spiritual man set his face against the aristoracy of "educated religious leaders" who were arrogant and excluded people from a spiritual life.

Those quotes gave me some thought - but they seem to contain fairly basic messages - although I could be wrong in my understanding.

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“Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God.
You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.

They are ignorant and although they are wealthy enough to pay a tithe and believe this is all they need to enter the Kingdom they remain ignorant of God's righteousness.

Words are not enough if there is no comprehension. Mercy, compassion and justice have to be shown to our neighbours before any claim can be laid to being God's servant. A tithe is no proof of loving God and is a secondary consideration to being merciful.

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Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.

Don't expect from others what you can't do yourself ie - an expectation that others should carry the burden that you refuse to touch.

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52 “Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge.
You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”

The "experts" are misleading those who want to know the truth because they are ignorant themselves. Their false interpretation of the Scriptures is stopping others from learning.

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Reply #59 - Mar 21^st, 2011 at 7:11am

yes behold these beloved ones

all in a state of confusion here wondering if we are all equal

those that know the truth know

that we do not have to convince you of a thing..

if you think we are not equal,and you are better

just keep comforting that if you do so choose,freewill you see?

however

you will know the truth as you will be made to allow for

divine timing...you have no say upon this dear ones,

so

just observe your experience..

i myself and i here saying these things of love and light

unto you may be pleasing unto you at this moment

or you may be offended for you do self loath yourself

or consumed with vanity or fear whichever flavour

this is yours at your invocation and keep comforting this

if this is your desire

there is no other way...yes continue

with forgiveness

namaste

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