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Reply #60 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 7:39am
 
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if you think we are not equal,and you are better

just keep comforting that if you do so choose,freewill you see?


I've noticed this elitist approach by some who profess to be Christians. Those who shriek the loudest about their faith tend to be the biggest perpetrators in treating those around them like halfwits.

Not very Christian like at all, but the agnostics and atheists have come to expect this patronising behaviour from those who pretend to be devoutly religious.

Few of them practise what they preach.


James Chapter 3.

Show by your good life that your works are done with gentleness born of wisdom.

But if you have bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not be boastful and false to the truth.

Such wisdom does not come down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, devilish.

For where there is envy and selfish ambition, there will also be disorder and wickedness of every kind.


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Reply #61 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 8:20am
 

That's pretty good mantra.

Surprising how some simple words spoken 2000 years ago still have such depth and relevance to them.

I see slightly different things on those quotes, but certainly along the same lines as you see it.

yep, some agnostics are much more spiritual than some people who have been "taught" the bible


mantra wrote on Mar 20th, 2011 at 7:43pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 20th, 2011 at 4:15pm:
here are some tougher quotes for you mantra.

They are from when Jesus was railing against the pharisees.
When a spiritual man set his face against the aristoracy of "educated religious leaders" who were arrogant and excluded people from a spiritual life.


Those quotes gave me some thought - but they seem to contain fairly basic messages - although I could be wrong in my understanding.  


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“Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God.
You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.


They are ignorant and although they are wealthy enough to pay a tithe and believe this is all they need to enter the Kingdom they remain ignorant of God's righteousness.

Words  are not enough if there is no comprehension. Mercy, compassion and justice have to be shown to our neighbours before any claim can be laid to being God's servant. A tithe is no proof of loving God and is a secondary consideration to being merciful.  

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Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.


Don't expect from others what you can't do yourself ie - an expectation that others should carry the burden that you refuse to touch.

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52 “Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge.
You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”


The "experts" are misleading those who want to know the truth because they are ignorant themselves. Their false interpretation of the Scriptures is stopping others from learning.

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Reply #62 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 9:29am
 
What a load of s.hit.

But don't stop now Sprint .. keep going .. tell us all how the Bible supports your sexist and racist stance. You know .. that stance you're so proud of and which appears in so many of your posts all over this message board.

Then perhaps you may be able to explain to us how your pro sexism and pro racism viewpoint has helped you in your relationships with women and people of other races (on both a professional and personal basis).





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Reply #63 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 9:39am
 
i am not religious as you may well know

i do observe that one whom has walked this earth as CHRIST

yes yeshua...long ago..humans can achieve this state

of one-ness..allknowingness and unity consciousness

CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS

this frequency is within you brother sister beings

all are equal yes

in LOVE and LIGHT

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Reply #64 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 9:47am
 
God makes no distinction between men [mankind].
i.e.
Even those who refer to themselves, as Jews or Christians, are not above anyone else.





Deuteronomy 1:17
Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...



Before God all mankind are equal.


Acts 17:26
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27  That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:


If we are all equal before God, then in what way does God judge, between one man, and another man ?


Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35  But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Romans 2:8
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9  Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10  But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11  For there is no respect of persons with God.
12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)




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Reply #65 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 9:50am
 
It Is The Light

Did you know there are people like Sprintcyclist (the Moderator of this forum) .. who profess to be a Christian (a follower of Christ) and who are pro sexist AND pro racist?

In short .. these "so called" Christians don't believe we are equal at all.

Does this surprise you at all?

I consider such Christians to be fake, hypocritical and liars because they subvert, invert and pervert the Holy Word of God in order to satisfy their extreme right wing political agendas.
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Reply #66 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 9:56am
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 21st, 2011 at 9:47am:
God makes no distinction between men [mankind].
i.e.
Even those who refer to themselves, as Jews or Christians, are not above anyone else.





Jeremiah 9:23
Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
24  But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
25  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised;
26  Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.


Romans 2:8
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,


2 Thessalonians 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8  And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9  Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



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Reply #67 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 10:05am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 21st, 2011 at 9:50am:
It Is The Light

Did you know there are people like Sprintcyclist (the Moderator of this forum) .. who profess to be a Christian (a follower of Christ) and who are pro sexist AND pro racist?

In short .. these "so called" Christians don't believe we are equal at all.

Does this surprise you at all?

I consider such Christians to be fake, hypocritical and liars because they subvert, invert and pervert the Holy Word of God in order to satisfy their extreme right wing political agendas.


This is true - but it has very little to do with the ethics of Christianity.
I am not a practising CHristian but I have no ethical or moral objection to the ideals of Jesus Christ - common sense really. I am not sure why the Jews reject Christianity and burn copies of the Gospels in the streets of Israeli cities.

The fact that a person is religious or pretends to be a follower of a particular religion does not really stop them from being racist or violent or immoral.

Hypocrisy is a global art form

Lets me honest - the entire military arm of every nation is based on violence and the threat to use it.

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Reply #68 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 10:08am
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 21st, 2011 at 9:47am:
God makes no distinction between men [mankind].
i.e.
Even those who refer to themselves, as Jews or Christians, are not above anyone else.


Deuteronomy 1:17
Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

Before God all mankind are equal.


Acts 17:26
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27  That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

If we are all equal before God, then in what way does God judge, between one man, and another man ?


Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35  But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Romans 2:8
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9  Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10  But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11  For there is no respect of persons with God.
12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)


Yadda .. thank you for posting all this. You've truly encouraged me in doing so.

It's good for others here to see that the Holy Bible DOES NOT SUPPORT RACISM OR SEXISM AT ALL!

And ANY person (not just Sprintcyclist) who professes to be a Christian would do well to take a step back and reconsider their position in light of what the Bible says before they come onto message boards spreading extreme right wing ideology driven nonsense ..  which clearly contravenes God's Holy Word.

And after they've done that .. they ought to set things right with God by apologising to God for allowing a pathetic man made extreme right wing ideology to rule their mind and heart to the extent where they disobeyed and rebelled against the tenets and core values of the Bible.
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Reply #69 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 10:16am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 21st, 2011 at 10:08am:

Yadda .. thank you for posting all this. You've truly encouraged me in doing so.

It's good for others here to see that the Holy Bible DOES NOT SUPPORT RACISM OR SEXISM AT ALL!

And ANY person (not just Sprintcyclist) who professes to be a Christian would do well to take a step back and reconsider their position in light of what the Bible says before they come onto message boards spreading extreme right wing ideologies which contravene God's Holy Word.

And after they've done that .. they ought to apologise to God for allowing a man made extreme right wing ideology to rule their mind and heart to the extent where they disobeyed and rebelled against the tenets and core values of the Bible.





Foolosophy,

Though you are happy to commend my opinion here, i will opine that you will NOT agree with the TRUTH which i express here.....
[CORRECTION; Sorry Lisa.    I cited the incorrect poster. I imagined that you were 'Foolosophy' .      Shocked  ]


"Moslem entitlement"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1300659922/0#0
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There is no 'Universality' of man, within ISLAM.

...Yet it is non-moslems who are the ones being called, 'racists', or, 'bigots' whenever they have the temerity to challenge this sense of entitlement which moslems embrace and cherish, ...to be the masters of all of mankind.

Moslems see no injustice, or moral contradiction in those thoughts.

Why so?

Because moslems mentally 'embrace' their entitlement, bestowed by Allah, to rule over others.





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Reply #70 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 10:30am
 
The fact that a person is religious or pretends to be a follower of a particular religion does not really stop them from being racist or violent or immoral.

Hypocrisy is a global art form.

- Foolosophy


God would agree with you there.

In His Word we find this:


"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'"

- Matthew 7:21-23


Foolosophy .. there are Christians and there are Christians.

They all look real .. but some are fake. The latter subvert, invert and pervert the Word of God. In doing so .. they bring Christianity into disrepute and many people are needlessly turned away by their Godless and non Biblical views.

In the same way they've turned others away .. one day God himself will turn them away.

It's good for us to remember this whenever we are confronted by ANY so called Christian who preaches racism and sexism (which as we've seen above .. the Bible clearly does not support).
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Reply #71 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 10:34am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 21st, 2011 at 10:08am:
Yadda wrote on Mar 21st, 2011 at 9:47am:
God makes no distinction between men [mankind].
i.e.
Even those who refer to themselves, as Jews or Christians, are not above anyone else.


Deuteronomy 1:17
Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

Before God all mankind are equal.


Acts 17:26
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27  That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

If we are all equal before God, then in what way does God judge, between one man, and another man ?


Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35  But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Romans 2:8
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9  Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10  But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11  For there is no respect of persons with God.
12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)


Yadda .. thank you for posting all this. You've truly encouraged me in doing so.

It's good for others here to see that the Holy Bible DOES NOT SUPPORT RACISM OR SEXISM AT ALL!

And ANY person (not just Sprintcyclist) who professes to be a Christian would do well to take a step back and reconsider their position in light of what the Bible says before they come onto message boards spreading extreme right wing ideology driven nonsense ..  which clearly contravenes God's Holy Word.

And after they've done that .. they ought to set things right with God by apologising to God for allowing a pathetic man made extreme right wing ideology to rule their mind and heart to the extent where they disobeyed and rebelled against the tenets and core values of the Bible.


AND NO YADDA .. I AM NOT FOOLOSOPHY LOL Smiley

Thanks again for posting all this for everyone to see.

It's impt that everyone sees what the Holy Bible has to say about racism and sexism.
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Reply #72 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 10:59am
 
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Did you know there are people like Sprintcyclist (the Moderator of this forum) .. who profess to be a Christian (a follower of Christ) and who are pro sexist AND pro racist?

In short .. these "so called" Christians don't believe we are equal at all.

Does this surprise you at all?

I consider such Christians to be fake, hypocritical and liars because they subvert, invert and pervert the Holy Word of God in order to satisfy their extreme right wing political agendas.


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Reply #73 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 10:59am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 21st, 2011 at 10:34am:
Thanks again for posting all this for everyone to see.

It's impt that everyone sees what the Holy Bible has to say about racism and sexism.



Lisa,

The Bible shows that many women were 'favoured' by God.

e.g.
Ruth, who was both a 'stranger' and, a woman.    Wink

Ruth was a Moabitess [a woman of Moab], i.e. a people who were traditional enemies of Israel.

And, Ruth was the great grandmother of King David.


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Reply #74 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 11:05am
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 21st, 2011 at 10:59am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 21st, 2011 at 10:34am:
Thanks again for posting all this for everyone to see.

It's impt that everyone sees what the Holy Bible has to say about racism and sexism.



Lisa,

The Bible shows that many women were 'favoured' by God.

e.g.
Ruth, who was both a 'stranger' and, a woman.    Wink

Ruth was a Moabitess [a woman of Moab], i.e. a people who were traditional enemies of Israel.

And, Ruth was the great grandmother of King David.




WELL SAID!

I had that saved .. ready to post but you beat me to it lol Smiley

Thanks once again for your support in demonstrating to all how sexism and racism goes against God's Holy Word.

It's such a shame to see "so called Christians" (like Sprintcyclist) about .. who preach sexism and racism ie hate for the sake of upholding a man made extreme right wing ideology which clearly contravenes God's Word. In short .. they are practising confusion and lawlessness.

Good for all to see what God himself says about this .. as I've stated above in Matthew 7:21-23:

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'"

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