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Reply #1 - Mar 23rd, 2011 at 8:18am
 

What motivates people to commit violence


That, is a very good question to ask Abu.

My commiserations to the family of the child.




Personally, i regard all examples of wilful, directed violence as not just criminality, but as proof of insanity.

And i would suggest [that a measure of real sanity, is] that sane ppl don't engage in wanton violence.
.....excluding [in my opinion] legitimate self defence.

Dictionary,
wanton = = (a cruel or violent action) deliberate and unprovoked.



A VERY SIMPLE DEFINITION OF 'SANITY' AND 'INSANITY'.....

I believe that typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself and, or, others around him.






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More, on the right of self defence...


Selected paragraphs below, from.....

    1690
    CONCERNING CIVIL GOVERNMENT, SECOND ESSAY
    by John Locke

    ......Chapter III
    Of the State of War


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16.  The state of war is a state of enmity and destruction; and therefore declaring by word or action, not a passionate and hasty, but sedate, settled design upon another man's life puts him in a state of war with him against whom he has declared such an intention, and so has exposed his life to the other's power to be taken away by him, or any one that joins with him in his defence, and espouses his quarrel; it being reasonable and just I should have a right to destroy that which threatens me with destruction; for by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred, and one may destroy a man who makes war upon him, or has discovered an enmity to his being, for the same reason that he may kill a wolf or a lion, because they are not under the ties of the common law of reason, have no other rule but that of force and violence, and so may be treated as a beast of prey, those dangerous and noxious creatures that will be sure to destroy him whenever he falls into their power. 
17.  And hence it is that he who attempts to get another man into his absolute power does thereby put himself into a state of war with him; it being to be understood as a declaration of a design upon his lifeFor I have reason to conclude that he who would get me into his power without my consent would use me as he pleased when he had got me there, and destroy me too when he had a fancy to it; for nobody can desire to have me in his absolute power unless it be to compel me by force to that which is against the right of my freedom- i.e.  make me a slave.  To be free from such force is the only security of my preservation, and reason bids me look on him as an enemy to my preservation who would take away that freedom which is the fence to it; so that he who makes an attempt to enslave me thereby puts himself into a state of war with me.  He that in the state of Nature would take away the freedom that belongs to any one in that state must necessarily be supposed to have a design to take away everything else, that freedom being the foundation of all the rest; as he that in the state of society would take away the freedom belonging to those of that society or commonwealth must be supposed to design to take away from them everything else, and so be looked on as in a state of war. 
18.  This makes it lawful for a man to kill a thief who has not in the least hurt him, nor declared any design upon his life, any farther than by the use of force, so to get him in his power as to take away his money, or what he pleases, from him; because using force, where he has no right to get me into his power, let his pretence be what it will, I have no reason to suppose that he who would take away my liberty would not, when he had me in his power, take away everything else.  And, therefore, it is lawful for me to treat him as one who has put himself into a state of war with me- i.e., kill him if I can; for to that hazard does he justly expose himself whoever introduces a state of war, and is aggressor in it. 
19.  And here we have the plain difference between the state of Nature and the state of war, which however some men have confounded, are as far distant as a state of peace, goodwill, mutual assistance, and preservation; and a state of enmity, malice, violence and mutual destruction are one from another.  Men living together according to reason without a common superior on earth, with authority to judge between them, is properly the state of Nature.  But force, or a declared design of force upon the person of another, where there is no common superior on earth to appeal to for relief, is the state of war;




See also...
Deuteronomy 19:16-20



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: What motivates people to commit violence
Reply #2 - Mar 23rd, 2011 at 3:41pm
 
It is far too easy to be critical of people who have undergone suffering beyond anything that most of us could ever truly imagine, but alternately, it is also too simplistic to infer that a person's suffering is therefore a legitimate reason why we should accept them committing violence, in response to their suffering.

I have told the story before about the IRA bombing, in the town of Omagh, in Ireland.
It was another in a long line of horrors, where innocent people lost their lives, but instead of sparking a new wave of reprisals, it sparked a new introspection from the Irish people, who asked, when will it ever be enough?
It inspired a response of THAT'S IT, enough is enough, retaliation and reprisals will just mean more families burying their children, and it was time to let the violence, retribution, and retaliation end.

Cheering on from the sidelines of the Muslim World, can seem like an act of solidarity, of support for the downtrodden, exploited, and persecuted, who through no fault of their own have been born into a world of violence, and injustice, but it is not the only thing people can do for them.
People can still offer them support, while encouraging them to seek non-violent ways to pursue their goals for freedom and independence.
People can support them by freeing them from an implied obligation to mete out retaliatory violence in the name of some perverted ideal of honour, by offering support for the ideals of non-violent protest.

You gave the example of an American committing a violent act over a ridiculously trivial matter, as a counterpoint to the image of an Arab who was carrying a dead, or dying child, which raises the question, do you provide tacit approval for the grieving man to perpetrate any act of violence in response?

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Re: What motivates people to commit violence
Reply #3 - Mar 23rd, 2011 at 9:40pm
 
Gosh Mozza .. that was beautifully put.

Much respect for your insight.
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Reply #4 - Mar 23rd, 2011 at 10:26pm
 

Let us readeth from the book of Foolosophy 57:3

...it cometh to passeth that GOD the almighty shall never treatheth one tribe in a better manner than the other. GODeth shall not yield to immoral ravages of racism and hatred.

Foolosophy 41:1
...those that writeth and witnesseth so called Holy Books shall be exposed as the true sinners, the uncovered souls of discontent. They shall deceive the masses with their priesthoods and fraudulant scriptures that pretend to be in my name - Listen NOT my children for thy truth is clear and crystal and resides within us all if seeketh is undertaken - my children
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Reply #5 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 9:26am
 
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/03/2011322162920193682.html

At least eight Palestinians, including children, have been killed in mortar attacks and airstrikes in the Gaza Strip.

The deaths occurred in two separate attacks on the eastern part of Gaza City on Tuesday, witnesses said.

Two of the dead were aged 11 and 16, and four of them were from the al-Quds Brigade, the armed wing of the Islamic Jihad movement, a spokesman for the group said.

Four people died when a shell slammed into a family home  in Shejaiya, medical sources told AFP news agency. Several hours later, another four were killed - all of them fighters - in an air raid in the nearby Zeitun neighbourhood.

On Tuesday, the military said it was responding to rocket attacks from Gaza. It also confirmed it had fired mortar rounds towards the eastern outskirts of Gaza City on Tuesday, shortly after four rockets hit Israel, and expressed "regret" over reports that civilians had been hurt.

It was the third time Shejaiya had been targeted on Tuesday, following an earlier one which wounded one fighter and a burst of tank fire, which left two civilians wounded shortly after dawn.

Al Jazeera's Bernard Smith, reporting from Gaza, said that more tit-for-tat attacks could be expected.

"Tensions look to be rising here, and violence could increase," he said.

The latest incident also comes after at least 19 people were wounded in a series of raids on Monday, in the northern town of Beit Lahiya and Gaza City.

Witnesses said a security compound for Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip, a training camp north of the city and a brickworks and metal foundry in northern Gaza were among the targets.

Rising cross-border violence has occurred, also increasing tensions between Israel and Hamas and once again raising fears of another large-scale Israeli invasion.
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Re: What motivates people to commit violence
Reply #6 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 10:01am
 
[quote author=it_is_the_light link=1300822606/0#5 date=1300922784]
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At least eight Palestinians, including children, have been killed in mortar attacks and airstrikes in the Gaza Strip.[/i]

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it_is_the_light,

Your post did not reveal what provoked such an attack upon the people of Gaza [...excluding the explanation of what provoked a previous attack, on the people of Gaza, by those dastardly Jooos].

i.e.
[size=14][i]"What motivates people to commit violence" [/i][/size]
???


Thank you.

All is becoming clear.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: What motivates people to commit violence
Reply #7 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 3:27pm
 
hello

your inanity does not reflect reality

enjoy your hoodwink and masonic mind control

also bliss,yes enjoy this while it lasts

[ignorance = bliss]

holier than thy all racisms will be dealt with,without judgement

observation yes,i do not judge

fear not beloved one



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Reply #8 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 3:31pm
 
Listen NOT my children for thy truth is clear and crystal and resides within us all if seeketh is undertaken - my children

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and so it is,beloveds ones..flee within in these now moments

the wheat is about to be seperated from the chaff

so be it
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Reply #9 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 6:35pm
 
Yadda,

The only thing that provokes anything in Palestine is the fact a bunch of foreign imports are squatting in people's homes, and they are standing up not accepting it.

That's the only thing that provokes any of this....
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Reply #10 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 6:55pm
 
Rubbish! The real owners are coming back home to find the Palestinians have been squatting on their property.

Hence the conflict!
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Reply #11 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 7:33pm
 
Lisa, you don't "come home" 1800+ years later.

If in 1600 years time, Indonesians come to Australia and say "In our cultural history we once roamed this land you're on, get out" and want to boot your descendants out of Australia... how do you think they'd be met?

I've never come across a single "Issrael-supporter" who can answer this one.
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Reply #12 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 7:51pm
 
That's an invalid comparison Abu ... in so many ways.
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Reply #13 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 8:55pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 24th, 2011 at 6:35pm:
Yadda,

The only thing that provokes anything in Palestine is the fact a bunch of foreign imports are squatting in people's homes, and they are standing up not accepting it.

That's the only thing that provokes any of this....


But it's the Jews promised land - God said it!
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Reply #14 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 9:23pm
 
Lisa it's not invalid at all.

In fact it's a little too much in your favour, as many Arabs have lived there fore well over 2500 years, and they have always been from the general area anyway, you on the other hand came here from half way around the world.

Either way, how would you or how do you think your descendants would react to a people coming along and saying "Vacate your home/farm, my ancestors were here 1800 years ago, so this is really my land"....

When you can answer honestly how you'd deal with such a situation, then you might have a leg to stand on in this discussion.
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