I'm with Grey on this one.
Most Australian Moslems are Moderate.

If I act like a Pro-Internationally Federally level of Australia, Pro-UK Governor-General or a Pro-USA Prime Minister - chances are I would fear and despise Moslems upon the grounds of how they behave and display in their own Region of the World.
I would be a justification for them to behave the same way here in Australia as they would back there.

But I'm not.

So most 'Moslems' I meet socially and work with don't really give a hoot about such behaviour. I've even tried to rattle one guy by pretending to be Jewish to see if he can't cope with being in the same personal space as me. He just said annoyed "I'm just a Sparky."

I also see a lot of Christians in Australia trying to 'exploit' the hatred towards Moslems as a justification that they themselves are loved and wanted. Camden is a good example of Christians exploiting a Farming region that doesn't like Religion - period. So once again, we see x3 Monotheism using one another to further their gains over non-religious entities.

I also see a lot of people using the excuse of Individualism to bully & degrade the Moslem (Middle-East) act of 'mass-production-breeding' character. How can a Nation like the USA, with the world's highest Divorce Rate and denegration of women - condemn Moslems for how they treat their women. Maybe they are jealous that Moslem women get to have more Children than them without the need for an X-Box or TV?? Such Bullying is like Gays telling Rednecks how to 'be'. Maybe if it was American 'Breeders' saying something about the Moslem 'Breeders' - then maybe there might be a case arguement.

Anyway, here in Australia - there are Moslems that are Moderate, if not passive and 'Individualistically' detached from their former way off life.

Jihad?

Me thinks there are Moslems 'playing up' to the American Media.
These Moslems probably hold a Gun rather than a Book in the name of Religion .
Me thinks they say "Jihad" because it is another Westernised coinage of a word inappropriately.
Me thinks Moslems don't hate Americans, just the Media.

They 'spiritually' attire themselves as Military, rather than Religious.
They are Militants not Moslems.
Only a True Moslem would hold only a Book, specifically the Book of Mohommedism
...and a true Religious person would help the world to Read & Write, regardless of what the language or story is being expressed.

Denial & Hypocrisy are those two photos ....maaaaaaaaaaate.

Me thinks a lot of Australian Moslems are sick of these Moslems giving their Religion a bad/false name.

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 1^st, 2011 at 1:36pm:


So what is this book you call Mohommedism?

So what about this muslim do you think he enhances the image of muslims in Australia by bashing a female paramedic?
www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/ali-mobayad-accused-of-assaulting-ambo...

What about this shooting at a hindu temple in Auburn do you think it was done by the same belief that did a drive by shooting of a church in auburn before burning it down ?
www.smh.com.au/nsw/fear-strikes-as-temple-showered-in-bullets-20110329-1ceuo.htm...

If Islam has an image problem it is a direct result from the behaviour of muslims

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 1^st, 2011 at 1:36pm:



IMO, people like yourself, are devoid of any respect for truth.

What will be the ultimate fate of those who hate truth?




Isaiah 6:8
Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
9  And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
10  Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.


Matthew 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11  He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12  For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13  Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14  And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15  For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


2 Thessalonians 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8  And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9  Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



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It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 1^st, 2011 at 1:36pm:





"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

i.e. Muhammad is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And that Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed.


"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025

etc, etc, etc.....


CONCLUSION;

People like Jasignature are;
#1, Lying deceivers,
OR,
#2, they are idiots.

You choose.

Jasignature, your heart is in the right place and I agree with you that there are a lot, maybe most, of muslims who are moderate.
But you cannot surely fail to see what happens when they get near to a critical mass in Western societies, like France & Britain.
They start wanting to change the nature of the society to suit their religion and culture and to have it predominate.
The moderate mass are swept up, maybe through peer pressure, in the demands of the more militant.
I say we can avoid that situation ever happening here to destroy the chance for our grandchildren to enjoy a peaceful environment.

Are these sorts of things what you mean by "teamwork"?

According to the latest reports 10 people (mainly Christians) were killed and more than 100 injured yesterday after a protest following the burning of a church south of the
Egyptian capital. Over Christmas 23 Egyptian Copts were slaughtered in a suicide bombing.

Police detained Christian families in Upper Egypt and forced them to deny arson attacks on their homes during a spate of anti-Christian violence in February, the families said.
Two Coptic Orthodox families said police detained them for 36 hours when they attempted to report an assault on their homes in Armant, south of Cairo. The fires came five days after Muslim groups set four Christian-owned shops alight on February 9.
The international media reported that rumours of a love affair between a Christian man and Muslim woman sparked the violence, but local papers said hostilities began over accusations that Christians were blackmailing Muslim women to convert.
The authorities detained the Christians when they tried to report the arson attack on their homes. "Police asked them to sign statements that they had attempted to set their own homes on fire to claim that they were being attacked by Muslims and to demand police protection."

CBS foreign correspondent Lara Logan suffered a "brutal" sexual assault at the hands of a mob in Egypt while covering the downfall of president Hosni Mubarak, the US network said this morning.
"She and her team and their security were surrounded by a dangerous element amidst the celebration. It was a mob of more than 200 people whipped into a frenzy," CBS said in a statement.
"In the crush of the mob, she was separated from her crew. She was surrounded and suffered a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating before being saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers."

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Yadda Jihad doesn't mean 'religious fighting' it means the moral struggle.

I wonder what would happen if a person ripped and burnt a bible during a hillside meeting? I'm curious but not keen to try it personally.