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Reply #165 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 4:54pm

Saw some shadowy figures outside the front of my house, throw something at a house behind another. The shadowy figures eventually moved away and vanished. From out of that house a small troop of people came down to the corner of the merging street. They were Lebs (you can tell different races by how they 'move' or carry themselves sometimes.) and one had a Cricket bat.
I stood out the front of my yard, shirtless and defiant in the cold. The troop of Lebs saw me standing there in the dark of night. I stood like Yul Brynner. They weren't too sure of what to make of me and wether I was to blame for the projectile. They moved away, came back a bit ...unsure - before 'one' Lebs moved forward and followed distantly by one other, while the rest moved back to the house.
See, I thought, they can break ranks and individualise to some extent.I eventually told the Lebs what I knew and saw and we left it at that with them thanking me. In essence, it didn't matter if they were Lebs or not. They were wronged. It didn't matter if they acted as a group or as an individual. They were wronged at 2am in the night.

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Re: The case against Islamic immigration
Reply #166 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 4:59pm

The Gospel according to Yadda

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

Unless the others are Muslims.

“Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”

Mum, not you Mu..PUT IT DOWN.

“The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.”

But unto Muslims say what you like, and use capitals often.

"Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for "of such is the kingdom of heaven."

Kick the little Muslim brats away Urrgh.

"For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me. 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'"

I was a Muslim, fill my mouth with dust and kick my sorry arse.

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brothers eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye?

You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brothers."

If your brother is a muslim, hammer the log into his ear.

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Re: The case against Islamic immigration
Reply #168 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 5:26pm

Grey wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 1:49pm:

My only interest is in finding true things.

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Grey wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 4:59pm:

The Gospel according to Yadda

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

Unless the others are Muslims.

“Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”

Mum, not you Mu..PUT IT DOWN.

“The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.”

But unto Muslims say what you like, and use capitals often.

"Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for "of such is the kingdom of heaven."

Kick the little Muslim brats away Urrgh.

"For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me. 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'"

I was a Muslim, fill my mouth with dust and kick my sorry arse.

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brothers eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye?

You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brothers."

If your brother is a muslim, hammer the log into his ear.

Grey,

You spit on truth.

And why?

Why is truth something which you cannot confront ?

Why is truth something which you refuse to confront ?

Grey,

Tell me my error.

But you place a burden upon me, but it is not mine, i have no truck with what you accuse me of.

You accuse me, suggesting that i am intolerant, and hate-filled, ONLY because i speak truthfully.

Your accusations against me, are just more of the same.

Just another lie, which you have embraced.

Tell me my error, but don't [falsely] play the champion of virtue.

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Job 28:28
And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Psalms 97:10
Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.

Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil:...

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Amos 5:15
Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate:...

Psalms 11:4
The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: The case against Islamic immigration Reply #170 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 6:20pm Grey revelations 1:1 If it all gets a bit fervorish, have a cup of tea and a nice lie down.
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Re: The case against Islamic immigration
Reply #171 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 6:31pm

Grey wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 6:20pm:

Grey revelations 1:1

If it all gets a bit fervorish, have a cup of tea and a nice lie down.

Yadda Revelation 21:7

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: The case against Islamic immigration
Reply #172 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 7:05pm

Seems to me that belief systems are a big burden, especially when you have to quote dogma. I don't know the dogma, so I have to consider that it may be being inaccurately quoted, which, presumably could make the quotations LIES.

I suppose that anyone who can't offer quantitative proof of everything that they claim is TRUTH is just delusional. Religion sure attracts a lot of those people. If they weren't scary, they'd be funnier.

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Reply #173 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 7:39pm

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The worst thing that is being said here is that Muslims are all the same.

But you are the only one saying that Grey. It is your strawman. We have put up detailed and specific ideas and you have completely ignored them in favour of attacking your own generalisations.

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Australia needs more people, give the kids training and a well paying job - end of problem.

Just like in London?

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If you find some mad mullahs give 'em a lift to yemen. Drop 'em off halfway and let them swim the rest, no worries from me.

So how many do you think are mad? Do you know any that aren't mad?

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I think that there is a lot to be said for the way things were done in the fifties actually. And let me just say that we don't discuss solutions nearly enough.

Grey I have had great difficulty getting you to even acknowledge that people have suggested solutions. So why don't you take the lead?

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If all other Western countries are taking their share of Muslim refugees but Australia, the most underpopulated, underdeveloped, land mass on Earth, refuses. Does that look like a tenable position to you?

I have asked Abu several times whether the policy I suggest is fair to Muslims. He is yet to claim it is not fair.

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Re: The case against Islamic immigration
Reply #174 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 7:46pm

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8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

It does sound picturesque, would the fishing be any good?

Welcome SpinyMendoza, 'New' isn't so bad, after you've clocked up a few they call you 'junior'.

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Re: The case against Islamic immigration
Reply #175 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 8:10pm

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 7:39pm:

But you are the only one saying that Grey. It is your strawman. We have put up detailed and specific ideas and you have completely ignored them in favour of attacking your own generalisations.

I think you must have your threads confused Free, I'm pretty sure after recapping quickly that the only solution proposed on your side of the road is to ban Muslims from the country.

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Just like in London?

Britain is suffering enormous economic difficulties and overcrowding of couse this has its concomitant social problems.

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So how many (mullahs) do you think are mad? Do you know any that aren't mad?

Well frankly no, but then that applies to the priestly class across the board IMO. Let's just confine the swim to 'dangerously mad'.

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I think that there is a lot to be said for the way things were done in the fifties actually. And let me just say that we don't discuss solutions nearly enough.

Grey I have had great difficulty getting you to even acknowledge that people have suggested solutions. So why don't you take the lead?

Who me!!?

I'm an Anarchist, I don't do leadership, but I will put up some proposals if you like.

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If all other Western countries are taking their share of Muslim refugees but Australia, the most underpopulated, underdeveloped, land mass on Earth, refuses. Does that look like a tenable position to you?

I have asked Abu several times whether the policy I suggest is fair to Muslims. He is yet to claim it is not fair.

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You have a policy? Okay dig it out Free, let's have a look

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Re: The case against Islamic immigration
Reply #176 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 8:16pm

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I think you must have your threads confused Free, I'm pretty sure after recapping quickly that the only solution proposed on your side of the road is to ban Muslims from the country.

freediver wrote on Mar 24^th, 2011 at 7:32pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/sustainability-party/immigration.html

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Britain is suffering enormous economic difficulties and overcrowding of couse this has its concomitant social problems.

I was referring to this comment:

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Australia needs more people, give the kids training and a well paying job - end of problem.

As the Londan example demonstrates, this is simply not true. Or do you suggest that we solve every economic problem we have in order to stop Muslims blowing up busses?

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Well frankly no, but then that applies to the priestly class across the board IMO. Let's just confine the swim to 'dangerously mad'.

I think anyone who wants to dismantle democracy and personal freedom is dangerously mad. Even if they are sane they are dangerous. There are few groups where this mindset is a majority, but I suspect Islam is one of them.

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You have a policy? Okay dig it out Free, let's have a look

freediver wrote on Mar 24^th, 2011 at 7:32pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/sustainability-party/immigration.html

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Re: The case against Islamic immigration
Reply #177 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 10:22pm

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Likewise, people who oppose freedom of religion, freedom of speech and the fundamental liberties we take for granted should be barred from entering this country.

This policy would effectively screen out the problems of religious extremism that many of our politicians have been commenting on lately, without resorting to religious or racial discrimination, without throwing multiculturalism out the window and without the cringeworthy jingoism of some of our ‘character’ politicians. There is no need to refer to Australian history or Australian values. Democracy and freedom are universal values. Any values that are unique to Australia are probably rejected by other societies for good reason.

That's precisley what I've been advocating all along FreeDiver. But it appears you have changed your mind.

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Reply #178 - Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:26pm

Grey wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 10:22pm:

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Likewise, people who oppose freedom of religion, freedom of speech and the fundamental liberties we take for granted should be barred from entering this country.

This policy would effectively screen out the problems of religious extremism that many of our politicians have been commenting on lately, without resorting to religious or racial discrimination, without throwing multiculturalism out the window and without the cringeworthy jingoism of some of our ‘character’ politicians. There is no need to refer to Australian history or Australian values. Democracy and freedom are universal values. Any values that are unique to Australia are probably rejected by other societies for good reason.

That's precisley what I've been advocating all along FreeDiver. But it appears you have changed your mind.

Why do people want to come to this country if no refernce is to be made to its values, history, characteristics? Why should they be admitted? On what grounds do they make their claims to come to this country? What values require that they be admitted to this country? Aren't they making their claims on the basis of the history and values of this country?

SO why would you two jokers advocate the irrelevance of these values?

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