Grey wrote on Apr 4^th, 2011 at 5:23pm:



Grey,

You are happy with this image of ISLAM [...which is a lie]...

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ISLAM IS PEACE in London

Image source...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/10/islam-is-peace-media-campaign-in-uk.html


Grey,

You are appear to be a humanist, imo.

You believe that sheep should be exposed to wolves, to prove how tolerant the sheep are.
You believe that wolves who are exposed to flocks of sheep, will suddenly begin to eat grass.
And you believe that pandering to moslems, will cause moslems to want to reform ISLAM, and to become like us.
/sarc off

IMO, you are an idiot child, who, for some reason, has decided that you need to pander to evil men.

You are a person who happy to look at the 'motherhood' image, on the London bus, above.

But you are someone who refuses to confront the clear message of the images below.

WHY is that so ???

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ISLAM is tolerant ???


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ISLAM is peaceful and is being 'misrepresented' ???


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Grey,

Australian culture can never have any beneficial influence upon devout [good] moslems who live among us.

Especially so when so many people like yourself, refuse to confront moslems with the lies about ISLAM, which moslems present to the non-moslem community.



We need to stop pandering to moslem expressions of 'offence' at being confront by what ISLAM really represents.

THE PROBLEM....

No good moslem can live among non-moslems, and remain a good moslem, without fulfilling his religious obligation, to strive [i.e. Jihad] so that ISLAM will become the dominant political authority in that jurisdiction.
And that, is a moslems 'reason for being'.

The process of peaceful ISLAMISATION of non-moslem communities [in which a moslem community is a guest], requires that non-moslems must 'surrender' to the slow [stealthy] ISLAMISATION of their society.

The never ending cycle goes;
Moslems demand concessions/exemptions so as to 'accommodate' moslems 'reasonable' needs, to practice their religion.
Non-moslem societies acquiesce to moslem demands.
And then moslem communities demand more concessions.
And so long as a non-moslem community continually acquiesce to increasing moslem community demands, this process will never end.
Demand- -acquiesce- -further demands presented.

But when non-moslems try to resist the ISLAMISATION of their society, and assert the validity of their own culture, moslems revert to their mantra that;



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The truth is, that all good moslems who live within non-moslem jurisdictions, are not being sincere, candid, honest, in representing ISLAM, to their non-moslem hosts.
The truth is, that all good [devout] moslems, are happy to be bare faced liars to non-moslems, for Allah.
When anyone confronts moslems with the facts pointing to their wicked intentions, moslems always close ranks and make blanket denials.
And moslems will then accuse their accusers of 'misrepresenting' ISLAM and moslems, and will then portray their accusers as being 'bigots' or 'racists'.



The real reason, why good moslems NEVER assimilate into their host nations, is because ISLAM itself, counsels cultural separation, and actively prohibits the integration of moslems, within a non-moslem society/culture.

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28

AND,
It is not possible for a non-moslem community to live peaceably, and co-exist [AS EQUALS], with a community of good moslems.
ISLAM will not allow this.
If the non-moslem community asserts itself, moslems will claim 'victimisation' [i.e. not being allowed to practice their religion, as a moslem].
BUT,
If the non-moslem community accommodates the [ever increasing] demands from a moslem community, then non-moslems must 'surrender' to the slow [stealthy] ISLAMISATION of their society.

What must non-moslems do?

I would counsel our urgent separation from ISLAM, and our separation from all those who self declare as moslems.

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For moslems to pretend, that there are [that they are] 'moderate' moslems is a falsehood, a deception, a lie, which being perpetrated upon all non-moslem host communities,
by every moslem guest community.



Grey,
People like yourself, need to confront that truth.

http://islamispeace.org.uk/itm.php?id_top=34#5


How does Islam guarantee Human Rights?
Freedom of conscience is laid down by the Qur'an itself: "There is no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clearly from falsehood; whoever rejects evil and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold that never breaks. And God is All-Hearing and All-Knowing." (Qur'an 2:256)


The life, honour and property of all citizens in a Muslim society are considered sacred whether the person is Muslim or not. Racism and sexism are incomprehensible to Muslims, for the Qur'an speaks of human equality in the following terms:


"O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and female, and made you into peoples and tribes, so that you may come to know one another. Truly, the most honoured of you in God's sight is the greatest of you in piety. God is All-Knowing, All-Aware." (Qur'an 49:13)

What is it about religion, that causes followers to become so hateful of (and violent towards) each other!?

This is not about religion per se nemesis. It is about a long-term threat to the survival of our nation as it is, being aware of the danger as it has emerged in Europe and trying to make others aware.
Freedom of religion is fine in theory, but when a religion seeks to impose itself through violence and demands that nations change to conform to it, then freedom of religion is an academic exercise.

Grey wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 11:01am:



There is a famous Koran verse, often offered to naive non-moslems, within non-moslem jurisdictions,
....'proving' ISLAM's 'tolerance' of other religions.

"Let there be no compulsion in religion......."

Koran 2:256

What moslems always portray in places where they are in the minority, is that that Koran verse proves that ISLAM is tolerant of other faiths.



But the blatant, and often violent disregard by moslems [within moslem jurisdictions], SHOW THAT ALL GOOD MOSLEMS ARE BARE FACED LIARS, in insisting they are tolerant of other faiths....

The darker interpretation on this 'soft' verse, AND AN 'INTERPRETATION' WHICH MILITANT MOSLEMS ACCEPT, IS,

"You can choose conversion to ISLAM, submission, or death.
.....THERE IS **NO COMPULSION**! YOU CHOOSE."

EXAMPLE #1,


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6412453.stm



EXAMPLE #2,


http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019813.php




ISLAM TOTALLY rejects other faiths having 'equal' status with ISLAM.

The Truth is that ISLAM is, truly, totally intolerant of other beliefs [in equality].

And the Koran verse which confirms that fact, but which moslems fail to declare to non-moslems, is here;


Koran 3.85

And again,
The Hadith,

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196






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Moslem lies, lies, lies, FOR NAIVE IDIOTS LIKE YOU Grey.




According to Allah, as per ISLAM's foundation texts, the Koran, and the Hadith....

"Or have they gods that can guard them from Us? They have no power to aid themselves, nor can they be defended from Us.
...See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"
Koran 21:43-44

"And He made you [moslems] heirs to their [non-moslem] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things."
Koran 33:27



And here the words of Mohammed, speaking to Arabian Jews, about their property, and the consequence for rejecting ISLAM...

"You should Know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to exile you from,,, this land, so whoever among you owns some property, can sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.085.077
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.053.392



Q.
How can this be so, how is this justified ?

A.
Because, there is no 'Universality' of man, within ISLAM.


Moslems do not support or embrace a principle of 'Universality' among all men [mankind].

Moslems do not embrace the idea that the 'golden rule' applies to all mankind .

Moslems support and embrace the concept that;
#1,            Moslems are superior, and good, and righteous [because they ARE moslems];
#2,            While everyone else, i.e. 'those who reject Faith', and bad, evil, and 'the friends of Satan'.

A sense of 'brotherhood' with all mankind is not perceived by moslems.

And 'peace', is something which moslems share, WITH OTHER MOSLEMS, exclusively.

Grey wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 11:39am:



Grey,

That is a persuasive argument...

Except all ISLAMIC doctrine [and consequently the actions of moslems in the world], is based upon ISLAM's own foundation texts, the Koran, and the Hadith.




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I have spent some time, some years now, studying ISLAM, and it's 'religious' texts.

It is clear that ISLAM, through its 'religious' precepts, assumes a 'divine' authority to consolidate what is effectively a secular [i.e. worldly] *political* power over individual moslems, and moslem communities, and indeed over the whole world.

How???

ISLAM from its inception, has managed to successfully establish the 'authority' of an unaccountable 'priesthood', initially through the authority of Mohammed, and then subsequently through the authority of moslem clerics.

When i say 'unaccountable', i mean, excepting Allah.
/sarc off

The authority of ISLAM, its clerics, and moslems [to act in the world], flows predominantly from the authority of Koran [ISLAM's foundation religious text].
And all devout, good moslems, believe that the [contents of the] Koran,
1/ are the words uttered by Allah [i.e. the Koran is divine],
2/ is inerrant and,
3/ is immutable.

And therefore, all good moslems unquestioningly accept the authority that the Koran has, over the lives of all 'believers' [and indeed over all mankind!].
And, the Koran has very specific things to say about,
1/ the authority of moslem clerics, and,
2/ advice to individuals who are tempted to search for truth, and the source of moral authority, for themselves!



The Koran instructs believers to follow the instruction and guidance of their clerics, implicitly,
AND,
the Koran instructs believers to NOT enquire for themselves, about truth, and about the source of ISLAM's moral authority.

For a moslem, faith is entirely dependent upon, obedience to Allah, and to the clerics.

"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65

AND;

"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Koran 5.101, 102


Grey,

I do not hate moslems [i believe that moslems are mistaken, deceived about what ISLAM truly is].

And i sincerely wish that moslems *themselves*, would study the Koran, and Hadith.

And, if everything i state about ISLAM is mistaken, or a LIE, surely, that would become apparent in debate about ISLAM, about its 'religious' texts, and about its doctrines?

Surely ?

Grey wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 12:21pm:




Har, har, har, Grey.

You can't win an argument.

So instead, you decide to malign my character.

But its all just in good fun, eh Grey?

Yes, we all had a good laugh.

Har, har, har.

Grey wrote on Apr 5^th, 2011 at 12:56am:


The christians accept we have a separation of church and state Islam commands muslims to strive for Islamic rule.

Abu Mounisa is a british born Salafi you should watch this video its almost Monty python like.
He says we should behead democracy and replace it with Islam.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT0_NyXdIoo

Islam has a separate set of rules for treating non muslims that makes 64% of the Quran a political ideology.

With Islam the texts say you are Dar al Islam (land ruled by Islam) or Dar al harb (land of war) so we are a target untill they impose Islam on us and we become Dar al Islam.

Islam stoned people to death for adultery in Iran,Saudi Arabia,and Somalia last year, in 2009 the muslims in Aceh brought back stoning to death for adultery.
Islam kills apostates,blasphemers,anyone who insults the prophet,they kill people over Quran burning and drawings they still kill heretics and you claim christians are only a little more moderate in your defence of Islam.

As for your nonsense about honour killings do you realise about 5000 women are killed every year and some countries even allow it in their penal code.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour_killing
The religion of peace condones honour killing.