In Florida an insignificant self styled 'pastor', whose congrgation consists of his own looney tune relatives and hangers on, burns a Qur'ran. In Afghanistan on the other side of the planet people run amock, people get killed.

We say, 'Why is this?' 'These people must be crazy?

They run amock because Americans and other westerners started another bloody conflict in their country under the auspices of helping them. But then they see repeated images of how in the west people are burning their holy book and therefore they 'know' that westerners hold them in contempt.

In New York and London a handful of Muslims kill a lot of people in acts of terror pursuant of their delusions of grandeur and global war. Much the same as a gang of crackpot irishmen expect their wanton murder bomb in Omagh to ignite a new war of independence for Ireland.

We see and hear 'death and Muslim and terror' repeated ad nauseum and believe all Muslims are out to kill us.

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So 9/11 and follow up hijacking attempts were imaginary?

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3000 people died in the 9/11 attacks. How frequenty would you demand such attacks occur before screening be put in place?

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Do you think the terrorists would have slowed down or sped up attacks if we hadn't responded? They figured out how to pull it off and we are in two major wars with them at the moment. Do you think there is some other reason why they stopped using such an obviously successful strategy? Why do you dismiss a threat as insignificant after 3000 people died in one event?

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Jay, you completely misunderstand people's motives here. We are not trying to punish Muslims for past acts. This is not even about terrorism. It is about protecting freedom and democracy. It is nothing short of naive to measure the threat to freedom and democracy only by the 'adjustments' we have made so far. It is like a German Jew saying that having to wear a little patch is not that big a deal after all.

Grey wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:36pm:


Can you explain please?

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What about that Osama guy?

You seem to be avoiding the question. Do you think the people responsible for 9/11, and their allies, would have simply stopped blowing up planes if we had not stepped up security?

I see. I gues I was referring to the French approach to secularism, which is fairly hostile to religion.

In any case, what is the reason you would deny people religious freedom?

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That is an excuse, not a reason.

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What exactly would you ban?

spiny mendoza wrote on Apr 9^th, 2011 at 2:35am:


I disagree, 'terrorist' bombs are not primarily about terror. It does OBL no good if people in New York are distraught. Terrorist acts are designed as ignition points, they want to fight, they want people they see as themselves {fellow muslims/catholics} to join the fight. They're after a domino effect not a bonfire.

Grey wrote on Apr 9^th, 2011 at 1:44pm:


These righteous leftards continue to stick up for something they are clueless about and if they knew the truth they would realise how morally bankrupt they are in defending Islam.

You are right there is not much in the Quran about the Niqab you will find that information in the hadith.

There is nothing in the Quran about stoning people to death for adultery so why do muslims stone people to death for adultery in 2010-2011 if it is not in the Quran perhaps this information can be found in the hadith.

There is nothing in the Quran about facing Mecca for 5x20 minutes every day with your ass in the air while tapping your head on the ground so how does a muslim know if he is praying right if there are no directions for prayer in the Quran if you knew about Islam you would know this is found in the hadith.

Quran 16.67 allows alcohol if you want to know why muslims do not drink alcohol then you have to read the hadiths,
www.quran.com/16/67

Mohammad was a dirty old man with a harem full of young pretty wives he was worried others would find them attractive so conveniently for him Allah sent down revelations to make women cover up and not allowed outside of the home without a male blood relative who she was prohibited to marry.

The Niqab has always been a part of Islam and here is a good imam telling a woman she must obey her husband and cover her face.
Its the men who force women to wear the niqab,a woman goes to the hellfire if her husband is not pleased with her at his time of death.If a woman does make it to paradise then she gets to share her husband with his other wives and up to 72 houris if he has dusted off enough infidels to spread the deen of Allah.
Read what this imam says about niqab under threat of divorce...
www.islamqa.com/en/ref/20910/niqab

There is nothing about stoning to death for adultery in the Quran yet muslims will say this is the accepted punishment.
There is a hadith where Aisha said "A goat ate my husbands notes" yet muslims will deny this because they claim the Quran has never been corrupted..
Here is a imam explaining why Islam stones people to death for adultery.
www.islamqa.com/en/ref/8981/adultery

There are no prayer directions in the Quran yet they still know how to pray where did they find that information?

The Sunni/Sufi/Salafi/Wahabbi will all say Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim for hadiths the Shia have their own hadith al Kafi and that is what causes sectarian violence between shia and the rest over this doctrinal difference.