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Re: Are these the Biblical end times ?
Reply #30 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:53pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:41pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

[quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/15#16 date=1301363906][quote author=muso link=1301108952/15#15 date=1301360453][quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/0#14 date=1301359616]Yadda,

Does thee ever quote the Talmudian verses?

And the Jews don't 'reject' Christ.....they simply reject the idea that he was the son of god, and consider him a prophet instead....Which, incidently, the Koran does as well...

The fundamental premise of Christianity is that Jesus was sent to earth as the son of God and died for the sins of man and was then ressurected.

This is precisely the fundamental Christian pillar that Jews reject today (although there are Jewish Chrstian in the world)

In fact Orthodox Jews burn copies of the Gospel in Israel. They fobid the reading of the New Testament and consider it inconceivabel that the Gospels and the Old Testament should be bound togther in one book.

You can cut it anyway you like, bu the fact remains that Jesus rejected Judaism at the time of his assassination.

And today the bulk of the Jewish community and Jewsih diaspora aroudn the world reject Christianity.

In the USA today you are not allowed to say Merry Christmas - you must say Happy Holiday. We havent reached that point in Australia yet, but give it time.

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Re: Are these the Biblical end times ?
Reply #31 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:55pm

muso wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:04pm:

My theologian friend would be proud of me. OK, the Old Testament provides the context - the "historical" background for the coming of Jesus Christ and the rationale behind the new contract. It illustrates how people are incapable of being good.

Exactly correct, imo.

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Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Note that this is not inconsistent with Matthew 5:17.

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Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

or Matthew 5:18-19

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Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.

In other words, they still make it to heaven under the new contract, but they shall be called the least.

A lot of Atheists bring these verses from Matthew (and another from Luke) up ad nauseum, and religious folks never seem to be able to defend it all that well.

Yadda - is that a fair summary?

muso,

Correct.

Except, if we continue to live 'after the flesh', then we are still, under the schoolmaster of the law.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:5
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

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IMO, the law of Moses [given to Moses, by God] was intended to lead man [specifically the Hebrew nation] into righteousness.
And imo, that, is still its purpose for man, to guide man into right action, before a holy God.
BUT, and it is a big but, the law cannot justify man before God.

The Hebrew nation were intended to be an example, to all of mankind, of how God's laws would lead to merit [but not perfection] in the actions of man, before God.
But the O.T. bible reveals, essentially a condemnation of the nation of Israel and her people.

Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

The accounts recorded within the O.T. bible reveals that the nation of Israel and her people comprehensively failed to adhere to their covenant, with their God.
Throughout its pages, the O.T. reveals that the nation of Israel and her people, were just as corrupt, and just as corruptible, as all other men.

Speaking of Jerusalem [a holy city, for a holy people, meant to be!]...

Isaiah 1:21
How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:
23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.

Our God, has got an obsession about righteousness [in the conduct of men].

He he loves it. Wink

And, he absolutely declares, that men [of flesh] who are wicked, and unrighteous, in this life,
HAD BETTER ENJOY THIS LIFE, WHILE IT LASTS, BECAUSE GOD WILL BRING US TO BOOK FOR OUR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

I fear God.

But, I also know that my God is absolutely just.

So, i know that whatever judgement comes upon me [personally], i deserve.

So, i cannot complain against God, can i. Wink

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Are these the Biblical end times ?
Reply #32 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:07pm

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:45pm:

Jesus never claimed to be the son of god nor the Messiah - He referred to himself as the King of the Jews - which can mean many things.

John 14:8
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

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Have you actually read the Gospels? Or do you just cite ramblings form the OT as part of your therapy?

Therapy.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Are these the Biblical end times ?
Reply #33 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:10pm

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:53pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:41pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

[quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/15#16 date=1301363906][quote author=muso link=1301108952/15#15 date=1301360453][quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/0#14 date=1301359616]Yadda,

Does thee ever quote the Talmudian verses?

And the Jews don't 'reject' Christ.....they simply reject the idea that he was the son of god, and consider him a prophet instead....Which, incidently, the Koran does as well...

The fundamental premise of Christianity is that Jesus was sent to earth as the son of God and died for the sins of man and was then ressurected.

This is precisely the fundamental Christian pillar that Jews reject today (although there are Jewish Chrstian in the world)

Yes of course that's the main difference between Jewish and Christian religions....

And there are NO 'jewish christians' in the world...That's the ultimate oxymoron...

You might as well talk about 'male females'...or 'right handed left handers'...

You can be EITHER Jewish OR Christian, not both....there may be Christians who's parents were Jewish, or Jewish people who's parents were Christian, but once someone picks a religion, then they cease to be a member of the previous religion...

You might as well talk about Muslim Christians, or Jewish Muslims....

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Are these the Biblical end times ? Reply #34 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:12pm It's truly amazing...EVER time you post, you reinforce how appropriate your screen name is....
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Are these the Biblical end times ? Reply #35 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:23pm Yadda wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:07pm: Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:45pm: Have you actually read the Gospels? Or do you just cite ramblings form the OT as part of your therapy? Therapy. A classic
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Re: Are these the Biblical end times ?
Reply #36 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:25pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:10pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:53pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:41pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

[quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/15#16 date=1301363906][quote author=muso link=1301108952/15#15 date=1301360453][quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/0#14 date=1301359616]Yadda,

Does thee ever quote the Talmudian verses?

And the Jews don't 'reject' Christ.....they simply reject the idea that he was the son of god, and consider him a prophet instead....Which, incidently, the Koran does as well...

The fundamental premise of Christianity is that Jesus was sent to earth as the son of God and died for the sins of man and was then ressurected.

This is precisely the fundamental Christian pillar that Jews reject today (although there are Jewish Chrstian in the world)

Yes of course that's the main difference between Jewish and Christian religions....

And there are NO 'jewish christians' in the world

...That's the ultimate oxymoron...

You might as well talk about 'male females'...or 'right handed left handers'...

You can be EITHER Jewish OR Christian

, not both....there may be Christians who's parents were Jewish, or Jewish people who's parents were Christian, but once someone picks a religion, then they cease to be a member of the previous religion...

You might as well talk about Muslim Christians, or Jewish Muslims....

I suggest that you look up the web site Jews For Christ

Interesting how you find the term "Jewish Christians" an oxymoron and yet Jesus CHRIST was a Jew - LOL

Based on your deluded ratioanle perhaps its an Oxymoron to be Jewish and NOT a Christian?

So are you saying that Jesus was a Jew or NOT?

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Are these the Biblical end times ? Reply #37 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:37pm There were always the Nazrani or Nazareans (Ethnic Jews who were Christians) in the early days, and there are neo-nazareans nowadays. There are also Catholic Jews, strangely enough. I recall that J D Salinger was one.
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Re: Are these the Biblical end times ?
Reply #38 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:43pm

muso wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:37pm:

There were always the Nazrani or Nazareans (Ethnic Jews who were Christians) in the early days, and there are neo-nazareans nowadays.

There are also Catholic Jews, strangely enough. I recall that J D Salinger was one.

Both the Iranian and Libyan Leaders are Jewish.

So is Sarkozy and the Greek prime minister

What does it all mean?

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Re: Are these the Biblical end times ?
Reply #39 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:44pm

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:10pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:53pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:41pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

[quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/15#16 date=1301363906][quote author=muso link=1301108952/15#15 date=1301360453][quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/0#14 date=1301359616]Yadda,

Does thee ever quote the Talmudian verses?

And the Jews don't 'reject' Christ.....they simply reject the idea that he was the son of god, and consider him a prophet instead....Which, incidently, the Koran does as well...

The fundamental premise of Christianity is that Jesus was sent to earth as the son of God and died for the sins of man and was then ressurected.

This is precisely the fundamental Christian pillar that Jews reject today (although there are Jewish Chrstian in the world)

Yes of course that's the main difference between Jewish and Christian religions....

And there are NO 'jewish christians' in the world

...That's the ultimate oxymoron...

You might as well talk about 'male females'...or 'right handed left handers'...

You can be EITHER Jewish OR Christian

, not both....there may be Christians who's parents were Jewish, or Jewish people who's parents were Christian, but once someone picks a religion, then they cease to be a member of the previous religion...

You might as well talk about Muslim Christians, or Jewish Muslims....

I suggest that you look up the web site Jews For Christ

Interesting how you find the term "Jewish Christians" an oxymoron and yet Jesus CHRIST was a Jew - LOL

Based on your deluded ratioanle perhaps its an Oxymoron to be Jewish and NOT a Christian?

So are you saying that Jesus was a Jew or NOT?

Ok, I'll make this easy for you....

YES Jesus was born Jewish.....HOWEVER, people who accept Jesus as the 'Son of God' are Christians......and people who accept Jesus as a Prophet of God are Jewish...

People who call themselves 'Jews For Jesus' are in fact Christians...

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Are these the Biblical end times ?
Reply #40 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:47pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:12pm:

It's truly amazing...EVER time you post, you reinforce how appropriate your screen name is....

My expertise resides in the wisdom of foolishness and the exposure of fools.

That is why I have taken you under my wing gizmo_2655

Gadget of Nimrod - the souless delusionary gizmo that drifts within the abyss of fooldom and knows not whence he cometh.

You are a very spacial case - one of only 3 in here. You possess a sub-zero IQ level, an EQ level that is an imaginary number and you consider religion as the ultimate science

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Re: Are these the Biblical end times ?
Reply #41 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 5:15pm

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:47pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:12pm:

It's truly amazing...EVER time you post, you reinforce how appropriate your screen name is....

My expertise resides in the wisdom of foolishness and the exposure of fools.

Actually I think your 'expertise' resides in PROVING that YOU are a FOOL, ever time you type a post...

AND the only 'fool' you expose is YOU....

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Are these the Biblical end times ?
Reply #42 - Mar 29^th, 2011 at 7:41pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 5:15pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:47pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:12pm:

It's truly amazing...EVER time you post, you reinforce how appropriate your screen name is....

My expertise resides in the wisdom of foolishness and the exposure of fools.

Actually I think your 'expertise' resides in PROVING that YOU are a FOOL, ever time you type a post...

AND the only 'fool' you expose is YOU....

gizmo sounds jealous

its understandable

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Re: Are these the Biblical end times ?
Reply #43 - Mar 30^th, 2011 at 7:26am

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:38pm:

One of the biggest propaganda campaigns and magic tricks to have struck the West is the coupling of the Old Testament with the Gospels or teachings of CHrist.

If you were to couple scriptures then

the Old Testamen or Torah should be bound up together with the Koran - they are morally equivalent.

The inspiration for the ethical content described in the Gospels can be traced back to the ancient Hellenic enlightenment period.

Foolosophy,

I will not respond to any further query from you, nor to any further statement of some outlandish 'fact' which you make, in any post in OzPol.
Except to respond with this message, and with a link to this message - so as to explain to others, my response to your inane, irrational worldview.
Clearly, people can believe whatever they want to believe.
But i do not wish to respond to your many outlandish assertions, unsupported in truth, which effectively state that 'black' is 'white', and vice versa.
I do not want to engage with your idiocy, or with your demented worldview, which is devoid of respect for truth.

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Foolosophy,

Again, you should attach a declaration with each of your posts;

"Hi, my nick is Foolosophy. And i clearly do not know what i am talking about. So just ignore this post."
"Does God treat different people differently"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1300677736/47#47

Yadda said...
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"My opinion, is that, the [false] opinions we hold, and the [false] opinions we broadcast, reveal much about ourselves, and about the 'worth' of our own 'worldview'."

"Arab world in revolt, how will the West fare"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1296163674/57#57

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Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:38pm:

"the Old Testament...[and the] Koran...are morally equivalent."

Foolosophy,

To make such an assertion, imo, you are an extremely wicked and malicious person, OR, an extremely ignorant person.

To make such a wild and unsupported in truth assertion, imo, just shows what a demented and outlandish worldview you hold.

You ask if i have read the Gospels.
Have you read, and compared the OT Bible and the Koran ???

EXAMPLE #1,

OT Bible;

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

EXAMPLE #2,

Koran;

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

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"THERE CANNOT BE A CLEARER EXPOSITION OF HOW APART ISLAM, AND JUDAISM [and also Christianity] IS, THAN BY EXAMINING THEIR RESPECTIVE RELIGIOUS TEXTS.

EXAMINE THE LAW OF ISLAM, ON THE TREATMENT OF 'UNBELIEVERS', AND HOW ALLAH COMMANDED MOSLEMS, TO TREAT 'UNBELIEVERS'.

AND THEN;
EXAMINE HOW THE GOD OF THE HEBREWS [JUDAISM] COMMANDED HIS PEOPLE, TO TREAT THOSE 'UNBELIEVERS' WHO WERE LIVING AMONG HEBREWS."

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"I am a student of the Bible.
And IMO, the OT Bible does teach man ethical behaviour."

"Ranking Ethics"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1292918320/43#43

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Are these the Biblical end times ?
Reply #44 - Mar 30^th, 2011 at 7:34am

YES Jesus was born Jewish.....HOWEVER, people who accept Jesus as the 'Son of God' are Christians

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id yadda,

we are all sons and daughters of god,

we are all brothers and sisters

your lies are an affront unto the CHRIST within us all.

your lies will be dematerialized along with your presence here

upon this dear mother earth.

you have had your time beloved one.

you will soon leave here for the meek are just about to

inherit this earth

and so it is

with forgiveness unto you and your ilk

namaste

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