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Who Should The People On Welfare Vote For.
Mar 31st, 2011 at 6:06am
 
TONY Abbott will today outline a tough Coalition welfare policy that would cut back the pension for people whose disabilities can be readily treated and suspend the dole for young people in areas where job vacancies have not been filled. 

Mr Abbott, declaring that ''sometimes government have to be firm to be fair'', will also propose making work-for-the-dole mandatory for those under 50 receiving unemployment benefits for more than six months.   Sad

And he will say that half the welfare income of all the long-term unemployed should be quarantined for purchasing ''the necessities of life''.   Sad


''Allowing people to stay on welfare when there is work they can reasonably do is the kindness that kills,'' Mr Abbott will tell the Queensland Chamber of Commerce.

''It's the misguided compassion that eventually breaks down the social fabric, as the more perceptive Aboriginal leaders have long recognised.''

The Opposition Leader's hard line comes as the government is working on welfare changes, expected to be in the budget, to encourage people into work.

Mr Abbott says the reforms he is proposing ''even this government should not shrink from''.

Labor promised to retain work-for-the-dole but allowed it to decay, Mr Abbott says in his speech. Since 2007, participation has fallen 60 per cent to less than 10,000.

''Work-for-the-dole should be the default option for everyone under 50 who has been on unemployment benefits for more than six months,'' Mr Abbott says. ''Reasonably fit working age people should be working, preferably for a wage, but if not, for the dole.''

He points out that disability numbers are set to pass 800,000 this year at an annual cost of $13 billion. This is about 220,000 more working-age people on the disability pension than on unemployment benefits. The dole is $474.90 per fortnight for a single adult with no children, compared with a disability pension of $670.90 for a single person over 21.

Mr Abbott says that with only just over 1 per cent of disability pensioners moving back into the workforce each year and nearly 60 per cent of recipients having potentially treatable mental health or muscular-skeletal conditions, it is time for reform.

''What's needed is a more sophisticated benefit structure that distinguishes between disabilities that are likely to be lasting and those that could be temporary, and that provides

more encouragement for people with some capacity for work.'' Better directing of disability payments could help to part-fund ''much greater assistance to people with very serious disabilities'', as recently proposed by the Productivity Commission.

He says the government in Britain has reformed its disability pension, with more targeted payments for people whose disabilities might not be permanent.

Mr Abbott says suspending the dole for people under 30 in areas where there are unskilled jobs ''is perhaps the strongest signal that government could give that people must take opportunities to work seriously''.

''Why should any reasonably fit person be on unemployment benefits in Karratha, for instance, when employers can't find cleaners to work even at well above award wages?''

The proposal is the stick to match the carrot of a relocation allowance the Coalition offered at the election for young people.

Long a supporter of quarantining part of people's welfare, Mr Abbott says it is a ''justified interference in people's lives because taxpayers have a right to insist that their money is not wasted''.

In the Northern Territory, people on the dole long term have half their money quarantined for spending on necessities. There are also trials of the arrangement in the Kimberley, Cape York and parts of Perth.

Mr Abbott confirms that his election policies for the relocation allowance and a job commitment bonus for young, long-term unemployed people who find and keep a job, remain Coalition policy, as does the parental leave plan ''giving most mothers six months with their babies at full pay''.
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Reply #1 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 6:22am
 
In response Abbott calls for welfare reform MR Tony Abbott MP

Before you look at Welfare Reform (Bringing in Compulsory WFD) (I have already done WFD 3 tImes now, I am not doing any more.)
I am Skilled Australian my Occupation is Disability care worker (Personal Carer). For the last 4 years I have been unemployed, I have had 5 different Job Networks during that time and not one of them could get a Skilled, Trained, (Certificate 3 Disability Care), Disbility Care Worker (me) a Job.

So look at the Job networks first and the People running them, They DON”T care about the unemployed, They only care about themself and what they can get out of there JOB.

So before you you look at Welfare Reform, get out and make available more jobs to qualified Trained Australians : , and provide them to the people that need them not the People that don’t.

The Job Networks have FAILED Undecided

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I am not a labour part supporter, but this is completly ridiculous Compulsory WFD, Provide Jobs and put the People that need them in them not to the People with Wealth that Don't.


So WAKE UP Tony Abbott and see what is really going on, Australian worker being kept out of Jobs by Job Networks Huh
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Reply #2 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 6:33am
 
The answer is simple, they need the coalition. As much as i can not stand Abbott, mostly what you have quoted him as saying i agree with.

I am a single parent, the oldest has a mental disability and i run my own business. I also have a chronic illness that will be with me for the rest of my life. I am a very strong social justice thinker and believe in small communities, hence i live in the country. This is not a whinge, quite the opposite i love my life and would go out of my mind if i was not active.

I hate dole bluggers especially those that worm their way on to disability. The disability is there for those that really need it. I have made it my mission to ensure my daughter learns enough at school so she can at least hold down a job at woolies or maccas and have some pride in herself. If someone can work no matter the restriction due to disability they should at least be trying to work and we as a community should be trying to help them.

So i support the elimination of the disability support pension and replace it with a supplement to the newstart that can be kept when they get a job as generally they will be on poor wages. Increase the requirements for eligibility and require everyone that is not totally permanently incapacitated to do something.

I know it seems harsh but after a few generations of welfare in this country we seem to have become lazy. Not just the people who waste away on these benefits but the communities we live in don't see the need to create employment for the health of their community because the government will simply hand over the doe. We only have ourselves to blame if we think we live in a nanny state, we demand it of our government then criticise them for doing what we wanted.  
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Reply #3 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 6:39am
 
nairbe wrote on Mar 31st, 2011 at 6:33am:
The answer is simple, they need the coalition. As much as i can not stand Abbott, mostly what you have quoted him as saying i agree with.

I am a single parent, the oldest has a mental disability and i run my own business. I also have a chronic illness that will be with me for the rest of my life. I am a very strong social justice thinker and believe in small communities, hence i live in the country. This is not a whinge, quite the opposite i love my life and would go out of my mind if i was not active.

I hate dole bluggers especially those that worm their way on to disability. The disability is there for those that really need it. I have made it my mission to ensure my daughter learns enough at school so she can at least hold down a job at woolies or maccas and have some pride in herself. If someone can work no matter the restriction due to disability they should at least be trying to work and we as a community should be trying to help them.

So i support the elimination of the disability support pension and replace it with a supplement to the newstart that can be kept when they get a job as generally they will be on poor wages. Increase the requirements for eligibility and require everyone that is not totally permanently incapacitated to do something.

I know it seems harsh but after a few generations of welfare in this country we seem to have become lazy. Not just the people who waste away on these benefits but the communities we live in don't see the need to create employment for the health of their community because the government will simply hand over the doe. We only have ourselves to blame if we think we live in a nanny state, we demand it of our government then criticise them for doing what we wanted.  


In respnsponse to you Narbie The DSP is also there for people that have been pushed over the edge by the constaint dole bulger attacks, and people that have stoped them from being able to work, constainly getting on the unemployed persons case.

Eventually the Unemployed person will break and then the only option is DSP for them.

Look at at the big picture before you Dole Bash the unemployed.

The Job Networks in Australia Constaintly FAIL
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Reply #4 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 6:45am
 
Quote: but the communities we live in don't see the need to create employment for the health of their community

Exactly the people in authority (Those will good Jobs working for the community), THEY DON"T CARE. They Only think about them selfs.


Why should a Disability Pensioner that is given and trained for a Job, be able to keep his or her government Beniefts.

Disbility Pensioners they live like Kings and they don't care about any one else. Cry
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Reply #5 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 6:46am
 
I wonder why the government want to cut more people off disability?.  The answer is very simple, it is because a person on disability support pension gets more money than a person on New start (No start).  So in other words its not so much for the persons benefit at hand, its more a money thing.    Sad
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Reply #6 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 6:46am
 


I am terminally disillusioned with Labor, and supported Tony in his opposition to the carbon tax.

I voted for the coalition in NSW last weekend.

But Tony has, in one fell swoop, lost ANY chance he had of me voting for him or the coalition Federally.

Bye-Bye, Tony.
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Reply #7 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 6:54am
 
nairbe wrote on Mar 31st, 2011 at 6:33am:
The answer is simple, they need the coalition. As much as i can not stand Abbott, mostly what you have quoted him as saying i agree with.

I am a single parent, the oldest has a mental disability and i run my own business. I also have a chronic illness that will be with me for the rest of my life. I am a very strong social justice thinker and believe in small communities, hence i live in the country. This is not a whinge, quite the opposite i love my life and would go out of my mind if i was not active.

I hate dole bluggers especially those that worm their way on to disability. The disability is there for those that really need it. I have made it my mission to ensure my daughter learns enough at school so she can at least hold down a job at woolies or maccas and have some pride in herself. If someone can work no matter the restriction due to disability they should at least be trying to work and we as a community should be trying to help them.

So i support the elimination of the disability support pension and replace it with a supplement to the newstart that can be kept when they get a job as generally they will be on poor wages. Increase the requirements for eligibility and require everyone that is not totally permanently incapacitated to do something.

I know it seems harsh but after a few generations of welfare in this country we seem to have become lazy. Not just the people who waste away on these benefits but the communities we live in don't see the need to create employment for the health of their community because the government will simply hand over the doe. We only have ourselves to blame if we think we live in a nanny state, we demand it of our government then criticise them for doing what we wanted.  

Ha ha ha what a lying socialist cannibal.  Pigs 'rse lol Grin Grin Grin Grin
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I wonder why the government want to cut more people off disability?.  The answer is very simple, it is because a person on disability support pension gets more money than a person on New start (No start).  So in other words its not so much for the persons benefit at hand, its more a money thing.    Sad    


Well it was supposed to be a NEW START for the Unemployed But did we get it NO.

The people providing the NEWSTART Don't Care
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I dont care which one is in power, if they present them selves for a fight like NAZIS to try into screw Aussies out of their welfare, they will get a fight to the death - "Bring IT On". Cool Cool
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Quote - ""Long a supporter of quarantining part of people's welfare, Mr Abbott says it is a ''justified interference in people's lives because taxpayers have a right to insist that their money is not wasted''.""


Ah, so it's the long-term unemployed who waste all our money?

Funny, I'd always thought it was governments.

Tony would do better (AND be fairer) if he targetted middle-class WEALTHfare, rather than doing a Howard and sinking the slipper into the most maligned and disadvantaged groups in the community.

Thoroughly reprehensible, Tony.

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Electoral Division of Warringah (NSW) Tony Abbott's electorate

Well that makes sense the elite Suburbs of the Silver tails Undecided


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Not really much point those on welfare (as opposed to WEALTHfare) voting for ANYONE.

They get the shaft either way.

The Macklin 'thing' wants Labor to introduce similar policy.

Some peoplle will stoop to ANYTHING to get the 'conservative' vote.

"ME, Too" politics, anyone?


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Reply #13 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 7:42am
 
Maybe Julia G was right it is Mr Rabbit Cry
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Reply #14 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 7:52am
 
Mr Abbott Making People do WFD dosen't provide them with a Job
(Thats a Unemployment Industry that provides Jobs to other people to Supervise them)
Get them a Job by providing them with a JOB. and Training if neccessary. Kiss
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