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Reply #15 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 8:20am
 
To any one that works in a Australian Job Network Today, Get off your arse, Get out of the Office. You get out their and start kicking down doors, If some Ignorant Employer/ Worker gets in your way, throw them out of the WAY. And find out WHY they Can't Employ Unemployed Australian that are or arn't Skilled for the JOB Smiley.
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Reply #16 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 8:31am
 
People receiving welfare payments should support whoever is best going to either, stop them needing to receive welfare payments, or who does everything they can to help them be as productive and engaged members of our society that they are able to be.
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Reply #17 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 8:36am
 
warrigal wrote on Mar 31st, 2011 at 8:20am:
To any one that works in a Australian Job Network Today, Get off your arse, Get out of the Office. You get out their and start kicking down doors, If some Ignorant Employer/ Worker gets in your way, throw them out of the WAY. And find out WHY they Can't Employ Unemployed Australian that are or arn't Skilled for the JOB Smiley.


Anyone who acts like that is an unemployable fruitloop. To answer the Topic title..... er ... Isn't there something more important to talk about?
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Reply #18 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 8:36am
 
mozzaok wrote on Mar 31st, 2011 at 8:31am:
People receiving welfare payments should support whoever is best going to either, stop them needing to receive welfare payments, or who does everything they can to help them be as productive and engaged members of our society that they are able to be.

People on welfare are half of Australia who have scores to settle with both major parties, the corporate world and the banks and we will make up our own minds where the battle will be and it will be at a time of our choosing. Cool Cool
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Reply #19 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 8:54am
 
I was one of those who believed that anyone who was unemployed for any length of time was so by their own choice. Until my sons apprenticeship fell through ( employer was ripping him and other apprentices off re wages and proper training) and he began looking for other work. Thus falling into the hands of the job network.

Trying to find a full time job via these job networks is an exercise in futility. They demand endless meetings and counselling sessions but never seem to actually find a place for anyone. After more than 6 months my son eventually found a decent job via a work contact of his mothers, not with any help from these so-called experts. Add this to the fact that far too many employers  are not willing to give training but would rather employ a fully trained person even if they have to import them from overseas and it's no wonder that so many cannot find a job even in these alleged times of high employment.

That is not to say there aren't plenty of welfare bludgers out there ripping off the system. However It is very disheartening for those who want to work and can't because of incompetent, privatised job agencies and lazy employers.

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Reply #20 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 9:15am
 
Almost half of Australia is on welfare - and they want revenge - blood for blood - they have scores to settle - that is all. Lips Sealed Lips Sealed Lips Sealed Lips Sealed Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Lips Sealed Lips Sealed Lips Sealed Lips Sealed
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Reply #21 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 9:39am
 
Posted Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:19am AEDT

    * Related Story: Cut disabled pensions to pay for floods: business

The Australian Human Rights Commission's disability discrimination commissioner has backed calls to get people off the disability pension and back into work.

The Business Council caused a stir yesterday when it said the Government should consider introducing cuts to disability pension spending instead of bringing in a flood levy.   Shocked

The proposal was condemned by Senior Australian of the Year and leading disability advocate Ron McCallum, who said: "The disability pension should not be arbitrarily cut simply because of the Queensland floods."

Disability discrimination commissioner Graeme Innes says he supports the Business Council's call but he wants to know what the group is doing about it.

"I know that there are people with disabilities who are keen to get back into the workforce rather than to sit on an unemployment or welfare benefit," he said.

"I would absolutely support the call of the Business Council of Australia to reduce the numbers of people on the disability support pension.

"My retort however would be, 'OK, what are you - one of the major employers of Australia - contributing to that reduction?'"

Mr Innes says the Government is keen to boost the budget by getting people off disability pensions.

"I know that the Government is looking to move people with a disability off the disability support pension and back into employment," he said.

"And frankly that will be the best thing for people with disability and the best thing for Australian society."

But Mr Innes says there are misconceptions among employers and government about people with disabilities.

"It's an attitude problem, and it's a problem of lack of information," he said.

"All the research shows that the vast majority of people with a disability - 75 to 80 per cent of them - employing them is at no extra cost to the employer.

"And where there is an extra cost, the Government has programs to resource or subsidise that cost."

The Business Council says businesses would employ more people with disabilities if disability pensions were structured to encourage people into work.
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Reply #22 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 9:47am
 
Belgarion wrote on Mar 31st, 2011 at 8:54am:
I was one of those who believed that anyone who was unemployed for any length of time was so by their own choice. Until my sons apprenticeship fell through ( employer was ripping him and other apprentices off re wages and proper training) and he began looking for other work. Thus falling into the hands of the job network.

Trying to find a full time job via these job networks is an exercise in futility. They demand endless meetings and counselling sessions but never seem to actually find a place for anyone. After more than 6 months my son eventually found a decent job via a work contact of his mothers, not with any help from these so-called experts. Add this to the fact that far too many employers  are not willing to give training but would rather employ a fully trained person even if they have to import them from overseas and it's no wonder that so many cannot find a job even in these alleged times of high employment.

That is not to say there aren't plenty of welfare bludgers out there ripping off the system. However It is very disheartening for those who want to work and can't because of incompetent, privatised job agencies and lazy employers.




I fear there is a lot of truth in what you say belgarion, and I think that placing the whole job search program into private hands has just created another ineffectual industry that is wasting taxpayers money.

I also remember back sveral years ago, under Howard's PMship, that there was a massive push to fiddle the "unemployed" statistics, and many unemployed were transitioned onto Disabilty Pensions, which saw a massive rise in that area.
The exercise was purely political to create the false impression that unemployment was far less of a problem than it really was, and the whole cynical exercise saw a great deal of money funnelled into private businesses whose results were even more disappointing than the previous efforts of the Centrelink offices.
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Reply #23 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 10:48am
 
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Posted Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:19am AEDT

   * Related Story: Cut disabled pensions to pay for floods: business

The Australian Human Rights Commission's disability discrimination commissioner has backed calls to get people off the disability pension and back into work.

The Business Council caused a stir yesterday when it said the Government should consider introducing cuts to disability pension spending instead of bringing in a flood levy.   Shocked

The proposal was condemned by Senior Australian of the Year and leading disability advocate Ron McCallum, who said: "The disability pension should not be arbitrarily cut simply because of the Queensland floods."

Disability discrimination commissioner Graeme Innes says he supports the Business Council's call but he wants to know what the group is doing about it.

"I know that there are people with disabilities who are keen to get back into the workforce rather than to sit on an unemployment or welfare benefit," he said.

"I would absolutely support the call of the Business Council of Australia to reduce the numbers of people on the disability support pension.

"My retort however would be, 'OK, what are you - one of the major employers of Australia - contributing to that reduction?'"

Mr Innes says the Government is keen to boost the budget by getting people off disability pensions.

"I know that the Government is looking to move people with a disability off the disability support pension and back into employment," he said.

"And frankly that will be the best thing for people with disability and the best thing for Australian society."

But Mr Innes says there are misconceptions among employers and government about people with disabilities.

"It's an attitude problem, and it's a problem of lack of information," he said.

"All the research shows that the vast majority of people with a disability - 75 to 80 per cent of them - employing them is at no extra cost to the employer.

"And where there is an extra cost, the Government has programs to resource or subsidise that cost."

The Business Council says businesses would employ more people with disabilities if disability pensions were structured to encourage people into work.
They have not had the guts to repeat this crap sice I threatened them with leagal action in writing and initiated action in the appropriate channels - this is old news and just makes you look weak,  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #24 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 11:46am
 
The people on welfare should vote for the Coalition - we all have unfinished business with them and the corporate world and no scores are going to be settled with them out of power - I am voting for the coalition because I want to chew on their 'rse for my last meal - Bring IT On! Cool Cool Smiley Smiley
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Reply #25 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 12:24pm
 
Almost 800,000 people receive the disability support pension, costing $13 billion a year.

Mr Abbott says 60 per cent have a potentially treatable condition and they should be on a different, targeted payment that would not be as generous. This would ensure there would be more for those with severe and permanent disabilities.

The measures would not be without cost. Last year the Herald revealed Mr Abbott, before he became Opposition Leader, submitted similar proposals to the shadow cabinet.

He recommended mandatory work for the dole for under-50s who had been unemployed for three months, at a cost of $10.5 billion.  Sad

He also recommended the welfare quarantining as well as mandatory medical checks and annual interviews for disability pension recipients ''to encourage them into employment''.   Sad

Mr Abbott has previously accused the government of stealing ideas, including assistance payments to help long-term unemployed to move to areas of demand.

The government has started the budget softening-up process. Yesterday the Treasurer, Wayne Swan, focused on extending the workforce contribution of older Australians. In a speech to business leaders in Sydney, Mr Swan announced the establishment of an Advisory Panel on the Economic Potential of Senior Australians to further the cause.
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Reply #26 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 12:29pm
 
Mr Abbott, who will do these medical tests?.  Will people be able to go to their own doctor?.  Or will it be some kind of government witch doctor Mr Abbott?.  You don't have to worry old chap, you lost your leg but no matter the other ones a good one.  Yes, I will pass you.  NEXT-   Sad
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Reply #27 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 12:40pm
 
Maybe people who are entirely on welfare for the past 10 years shouldnt be allowed to vote?
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Reply #28 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 12:59pm
 
I think anyone who seeks to subvert universal man-suffrage guaranteed under our inherited law forfeits their right to live in Australia and should be immediately stripped of citizenship, all assets and deported without redress. Smiley
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Reply #29 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 1:01pm
 
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Mr Abbott, who will do these medical tests?.  Will people be able to go to their own doctor?.  Or will it be some kind of government witch doctor Mr Abbott?.  You don't have to worry old chap, you lost your leg but no matter the other ones a good one.  Yes, I will pass you.  NEXT-   Sad

No quack will be getting access to my medical records and that is the bottom line - I will sue the commonwealth for millions if they even try to go their and play semantics. Smiley
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