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Reply #30 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:09pm

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:03pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 9^th, 2011 at 11:18pm:

Equitist wrote on Apr 9^th, 2011 at 11:11pm:

The irony in quoting and re-quoting that diatribe is so insidious that it's downright scary!

It's right down there with, "all Muslims are taught to hate 'us' from birth"!

Well, no Danish cartoonist has EVER gone on a murderoius rampage. Not something you can say for Muslims who have seen Danish cartoons.

I am not at all surprised that you do not peceive the massive, gaping difference, but are, rather, ready with the excuse and downplaying of 'responsibility while Muslim'.

They ARE on the rampage because they are Muslims, not because they had a rough childhood or because they can't afford an Xbox.

no there is no need for any member of the public to go on murderous rampages.

This is left to their military slaughtering machines

How many slaughtered in Iraq so far Soren? 1.27 million and counting

You do understand Soren how the criminal western imperial fascist states operate in countries that have THINGS they want?

LOOK SOREN - LOOK WHAT IS DONE IN YOUR NAME - LOOK AT WHAT YOU PAY FOR AND THEN TURN YOUR HEAD TO ENJOY YOUR DELUSIONS OF MATERIALISTIC DECADENCE

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FqFDV-L66EI/Rtl0xUnazbI/AAAAAAAAEww/CUa8FHbYUZ0/s400/d...

The guy standing is not a smacking immigrant or asylum seeker in Iraq.

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Foolosophy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1171 Australia Gender:	Re: Afghans Protesting Florida Koran Burning Kill 7 UN Reply #31 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 11:11pm SOREN, BEHOLD THE CHILDREN OF GOD - THE HOLY PROGENY THAT YOU DETEST AND YOU WILL ANSWER FOR YOUR HATRED WHEN YOU MEET YOUR UNDERTAKER AS PASSES YOUR SOUL TO HADES
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Afghans Protesting Florida Koran Burning Kill 7 UN Reply #32 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 11:41pm Cute - but then they grow up:
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Inner Health Plus Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 56	Re: Afghans Protesting Florida Koran Burning Kill 7 UN Reply #33 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 11:43pm isnt that the kind of society that neocon retards actually want to construct in the middle east trade religious theocracy for pornocracy
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Afghans Protesting Florida Koran Burning Kill 7 UN Reply #34 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 11:45pm You are so right, Constipation.
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Inner Health Plus Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 56	Re: Afghans Protesting Florida Koran Burning Kill 7 UN Reply #35 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 11:46pm who is constipation
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Afghans Protesting Florida Koran Burning Kill 7 UN Reply #36 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 11:50pm Inner Health Plus wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 11:46pm: who is constipation You. People called sp@m are invariably constipated. Everybody knows that. Or neurotic, if they mean inner mental health.
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Inner Health Plus Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 56	Re: Afghans Protesting Florida Koran Burning Kill 7 UN Reply #37 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 11:52pm no
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Foolosophy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1171 Australia Gender:	Re: Afghans Protesting Florida Koran Burning Kill 7 UN Reply #38 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 12:55am Soren wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 11:41pm: Cute - but then they grow up: Soren, Oh I see - its genetic The Master of right wing fascist racist ideology reveals himself to the public once again Your heart has been darkened by your own fear Repent my deluded child - look towards the light
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Reply #39 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 9:33am

Soren wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 11:41pm:

Cute - but then they grow up:

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/muslim_rally_transgendered.jpg

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Purple_Jihad.jpg

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/muslim_rally_Mothers_250.jpg

Exactly so.

1st we have the cute young moslem children...

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Then we have the not so cute older moslem children...

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see...

"Young Muslims 'are turning to extremism'
Increasing numbers have become so alienated from mainstream society that they could even lend their support to jihadi terrorism, the study claims."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2171300/Young-Muslims-are-turning-to-extr...

It is ISLAM itself which alienates moslem children, from non-moslems and from non-moslem society.

It is ISLAM itself which inculcates within moslem children, conspiracy 'grievances', directed against all non-moslems, because ISLAM teaches ALL moslems, that non-moslems are 'oppressing' moslems.

And so, the Jihad against the 'oppressors' of moslems is justified.

Finally we have good moslems, publicly voicing their 'freedom of expression'.....

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ISLAM teaches all moslems, that their hatred of non-moslems is justified, and is required, to be a moslem.

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There are no moderate moslems - ANYWHERE.

To BE a moslem, a moslem must endorse what the Koran and Hadith teach.

If a 'moslem' does not **HATE** unbelievers, he/she, is, not a moslem.

This is not what i claim,
...that is what the Koran and Hadith teach,
...that is what ISLAMIC 'religious' doctrines teach.

Do moslems have the right to live within secular societies, and claim to be 'innocent', when they promote the *violent imposition* of ISLAMIC values, and a value system which is antithetical/incompatible with the value system of their host countries?

And when moslems *willingly* embrace a value system, which effectively tells them,

"Take everything.
And give nothing, or only give what you must.
And at every opportunity, try to undermine and weaken the institutions and laws of your host country, so we can replace them with ISLAM/Sharia."

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THINGS WHICH, TO BE A MOSLEM, A MOSLEM MUST EMBRACE...
1/ The love of fellow moslems.
2/ Deceit, hatred of, and violence against non-moslems and moslem apostates.

ISLAMIC law texts declare, moslems can 'lawfully' kill 'unbelievers'/apostates,

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110

n.b. "Whoever......*becomes an unbeliever*.....his blood may legally be spilled."

The Koran instructs moslems,
'Take no apostates as friends. And when apostates oppose you [in Allah's way], kill them.'
Koran 4.88, 89

No 'unbelievers' is 'eligible' as a friend, for a moslem.

Why not?

Because 'unbelievers' are the declared enemies of Allah, and 'unbelievers' are therefore, also the enemies of believers.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah,...fight ye against the ['unbelievers']..."
Koran 4.76

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #40 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 12:27pm

Ah - the evolution of extremism: not so cute older Moslems holding up placards saying "Justice for Muslims." Despicable.

And you do realise that the grownups' placards have been digitally enhanced, don't you? The old boy posted them as a joke. A clue: towel-heads prefer Arabic.

If hatred of non-Muslims is required to be a Muslim, is hatred of Muslims required to be a good Western citizen? I don't feel any particular way about Muslims, but I'm often told I'm an apeaser, a sympathiser, an enabler, or even an Evil Muslim itself, because I just can't summon up the rage against these despicable barbarians at our gates.

The joke in the above photos works on a number of levels. The placards make fun of gay protesters in the West by superimposing their message onto reactionary, overly-serious Arabs. It mocks the idea that homophobic Muslims would ever march over gay rights - and "progressive" gay rights at that. The "against Israel" line is the pun: Muslims will protest about anything as long as it's against Israel. But the aim of the joke is to put "progressive" protesters (or "liberals") in the same camp as US flag-burning jihadists. The message is that protesters for peace - of whatever cloth - are warmongerers, a message summarised neatly by P.J O'Rourke's book title, Peace Kills.

The old boy's post drums up the "with us or with the terrorists" message. It's propaganda aimed at a Fox News/Rush Limbaugh audience. But I'd love to know what you think: is hatred of Islam a requirement for enlightened Western subjects? Should we - as you believe is a mandatory requirement of islam - hate the universal enemy of the West?

I'm not being sarcastic, Yadda. I'd love to know what you think.

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Reply #41 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 1:07pm

Q.
What could be wrong with moslems seeks merely justice ???

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That depends on who defines what the word 'justice', actually means.

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Moslems always present and express a duality [a duplicitous mindset], when portraying ISLAM/moslems, to non-moslems.

ALWAYS.

e.g.
ISLAM portrays its violent murderous Jihad 'martyrs' as, the 'victims'.

And the world neither questions, acknowledges, OR EVEN RECOGNISES, such open, bare faced duplicity of thought which moslems engage in.

AND, it is the victims of ISLAMIC Jihad violence, who are portrayed [by moslems] as aggressors, for defending themselves from the violent, murderous, rage of ISLAM's adherents.

AS PER....

Merely to criticise moslem violence [towards non-moslems], is portrayed as the 'oppression' of moslems.

e.g.
"Five Australian jihadists convicted - Sister, 'its not fair' "
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/15/2819965.htm
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/australia-5-jihadists-motivated-by-intolerant-...

"..The sister for one of the convicted men said...that the sentence is not fair to her community or religion."

It was reported, that her brother liked to watch videos of moslems beheading non-moslems, and now he can't,
...for a very long time.

And it's just not fair!!

Australians laws are so unfair.

COMMENT;

This woman clearly identifies herself as a *moslem*.
And has clearly declared that *she believes*,

"...that the sentence is not fair to her community or religion."

As a moslem, this woman [along with all moslems] is effectively declaring;

'ISLAM gives us moslems the right to use violence to impose our value system upon you non-moslems.
Your non-moslem laws are illegal, and unjust.
And it is evil, and unjust, for you to use your laws to resist our Jihad, against you.'

And i assure you, imo, that that, is the mindset of all good moslems share.

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We non-moslems believe that, if not perfect, our laws are equitable [just].

Why?

Because everyone, moslems and non-moslems, are equal before our laws.

But that is not the opinion of many, many, 'moslems' living within Australia.

Moslems within Australia, living within their moslem communities, inculcate, and teach each other, exactly what ISLAM teaches them,
...that the non-moslem community is 'oppressing' local moslems, by subjecting moslems to 'unjust' non-moslem laws.

And that is precisely what this woman, the sister of the convicted Jihadist, is expressing!

And all Australians should understand, that moslems do not believe in, they do not endorse, or promote, 'one law for all'.

Moslems want Sharia - for themselves, and for us.

Because Sharia is an inequitable system of laws which unashamedly favours moslems.

Sharia establishes, and is, a legal apartheid, which favours moslems.

And the Jihad [violence against non-moslems], is the path towards a Sharia system, which is justified by all moslems.

December 31, 2007
Pakistani cleric: "We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019399.php

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"ISLAM SEEKS PEACE - Oh really!"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258072652/1#1
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THE DECEPTION, AND MORAL 'EQUIVALENCY' OF ISLAM CONTINES...

'AGGRESSION IS SOMETHING ONLY INFIDELS DO'

"......[resorting] to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening" the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Qur'an and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists. Unbelievers who stand in the way, CREATING OBSTACLES FOR THE DA'WA, ARE BLAMED FOR THIS STATE OF WAR, for the da'wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it. IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE WHO RESIST ISLAM CAUSE WARS and are responsible for them.
.....Aggression is something only infidels do.
.....it is not seen as aggression or war when Muslims attack non-Muslims. On the contrary, it is seen as aggression when non-Muslims resist the Islamization of their lands and thus "place obstacles in the way" of the spread of Islam. They are defying the will of Allah.......subjugation to Islam alone can bring peace.....
......[To the ISLAMIST mind, 'aggression' is...] When non-Muslims do anything to preserve their culture and resist the Islamization of their country."

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #42 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 1:49pm

You didn't answer the question, effende. You've posted all this before.

Also, I'd be very careful about saying always. Hyperbole does not make an argument more sound - in fact, it often makes it weaker as it highlights to the speaker's prejudices over and above the argument.

Good rhetoric addresses the audience's concerns - over and above the speaker's.

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Reply #43 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 2:45pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 12:27pm:

The old boy's post drums up the "with us or with the terrorists" message....But I'd love to know what you think: is hatred of Islam a requirement for enlightened Western subjects?...

I'm not being sarcastic, Yadda. I'd love to know what you think.

YOUR LOGIC;
Yadda is a bigot.

Y?
....because people like yourself, hate truth.

Karnal,

You should convert, to Mohamedism.

You could become 'one' with the 'bros'.

And know that seeking to kill 'bigots' like Yadda, who offend you, is the right thing to do.

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Moslems are devoid of all respect for truth.

Because truth, reveals what every moslem is;

THE TRUTH
A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM] which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those who do not believe, as they believe.

There is a popular supposition among many non-moslems in the West, that only 'ISLAMISTS' have violent tendencies.

Wrong!

THE TRUTH
All good moslems, are ISLAMISTS.

THE TRUTH IS;
There can never be a 'moderate moslem'.

BECAUSE, there is no moderate ISLAM.

Read the Koran and Hadith, you truth averse idiots.

BIGOTRY
"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." [inciting and motivating moslem violence against non-moslems]
Koran 2.98

BIGOTRY
"....those who reject Allah have no protector." [inciting and motivating moslem violence against non-moslems]
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

BIGOTRY
"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith." [inciting moslem hatred of non-moslems]
Koran 2.089

BIGOTRY
"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not." [inciting and motivating moslem violence against non-moslems]
Koran 2.216

BIGOTRY
"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:" [inciting moslem hatred of non-moslems]
Koran 3.028

BIGOTRY
"Unbelievers are unto you open enemies." [inciting and motivating moslem violence against non-moslems]
Koran 4.101

BIGOTRY
"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?" [inciting moslem hatred of non-moslems]
Koran 4.144

BIGOTRY
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. " [inciting and motivating moslem violence against non-moslems]
Koran 9.29

BIGOTRY
"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed." [inciting and motivating moslem violence against non-moslems]
Koran 9.73
Koran 66.9

BIGOTRY
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." [inciting and motivating moslem violence against non-moslems]
Koran 9.123

BIGOTRY
"Do the Unbelievers think that they can take My servants as protectors besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment." [inciting moslem hatred of non-moslems]
Koran 18.102

BIGOTRY
"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other......" [encouraging moslem solidarity, but inciting hatred of non-moslems]
Koran 48.029

BIGOTRY
"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76 [inciting moslem hatred of non-moslems]

BIGOTRY
The Hadith,
"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

BIGOTRY
"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

etc, etc, etc. 100's more verses which expose moslem intolerance, against those who do not believe as they believe.

AND;

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&on...

N.B.
"...the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

AND;

Moslem community leader, Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad - Speaking publicly, AND THEN PRIVATELY, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims.

"......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #44 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:21pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 2:45pm:

[quote author=Karnal link=1301689644/30#40 date=1302661661]

The old boy's post drums up the "with us or with the terrorists" message....But I'd love to know what you think: is hatred of Islam a requirement for enlightened Western subjects?...

I'm not being sarcastic, Yadda. I'd love to know what you think.

YOUR LOGIC;
Yadda is a bigot.

Y?
....because people like yourself, hate truth.

Karnal,

You should convert, to Mohamedism.

You could become 'one' with the 'bros'.

And know that seeking to kill 'bigots' like Yadda, who offend you, is the right thing to do.

Yes, you'll see me say the same thing above: an apeaser, an enabler, but worse:

one of THEM.

Is this really what you think? Is it our civic duty to despise the violent, devoid-of-all-truth, never-moderate and bigoted Muselman?

With us or against us?

I'm asking because this seems to me like a rather tribal view of society - a rather militant, if you'll forgive me, world view.

Can there be a spectrum of opinion on this issue, or must we all take sides?

Believe me, I know all too well what you think about the Muselman - I'd love to know what you think about pluralism.

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