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Reply #30 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 8:57pm

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You just need to realise some of your questions and claims are just outside the bounds of sensible discussion, and just become nothing but libel and slander. They do not deserve a response, and in most cases, one was already given long ago, Muslims grew tired of refuting the same old garbage long ago.

Sounds like you have been listening to your own rhetoric for far too long. You deliberatly avoid the difficult and novel questions and prefer the 'same old same old' arguments. You yourself post plenty of threads attacking the west that you admit are rubbish, and you happily respond to similar attacks against Islam. You actively participate in the silly repetitive arguments. You also respond to the difficult questions - its just that instead of answering them you go to elaborate lengths to justify non-answers.

Is this your new strategy - stick closely to the script and avoid the controversial topics?

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: strategic promotion of political Islam Reply #31 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 11:29pm Foolosophy, Quote: And yet the USA has been involved on over 45 overt and covert wars since the end of WW2 resulting in over 14.3 million civilian deaths in other people's backyards. Surely this can't be right. Muslims are the terrorists, America told us so.
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Reply #32 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 12:47pm

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 8:32pm:

USA heading the lot - provide ONE example of the USA defending itself against an attack by another state on itS home soil?

Well, the invasion of Iraq, of course. The US acted unilaterally as a defensive, pre-emptive measure against a rogue state. Saddam had WMDs and a nuclear weapons program it was planning to use on America. The US acted by declaring a War on Terror and initiating a defensive strike against the terrorist state of Iraq.

If this was not the case, the US would have broken international law and its leadership would be liable for war crimes.

As Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney have not been indicted, I think we can safely say that the US's actions were entirely above board.

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Reply #33 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 12:51pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 12:47pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 8:32pm:

USA heading the lot - provide ONE example of the USA defending itself against an attack by another state on itS home soil?

Well, the invasion of Iraq, of course. The US acted unilaterally as a defensive, pre-emptive measure against a rogue state. Saddam had WMDs and a nuclear weapons program it was planning to use on America. The US acted by declaring a War on Terror and initiating a defensive strike against the terrorist state of Iraq.

If this was not the case, the US would have broken international law and its leadership would be liable for war crimes.

As Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney have not been indicted, I think we can safely say that the US's actions were entirely above board.

Very droll

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49022 At my desk.	Re: strategic promotion of political Islam Reply #34 - Apr 17^th, 2011 at 12:09pm Abu, is this a fair description of your strategy? http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values#Changi...
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saku39 Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111 Gender:	Re: strategic promotion of political Islam Reply #35 - Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 11:28am freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2011 at 12:09pm: Abu, is this a fair description of your strategy? http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values#Changi... It would appear so based on the responses in this thread and numerous others.
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Reply #36 - Aug 19^th, 2012 at 1:34pm

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2011 at 6:30pm:

Also Abu why did you use the term propaganda? Are you suggesting that the promotion of Islam should not be entirely open and honest about Islam?

What is wrong with the truth abu are you afraid of the reaction?

If Islam is the truth as muslims claim then why do you have to resort to lies in order to promote it?

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Reply #37 - Aug 19^th, 2012 at 1:58pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 12:47pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 8:32pm:

USA heading the lot - provide ONE example of the USA defending itself against an attack by another state on itS home soil?

Well, the invasion of Iraq, of course. The US acted unilaterally as a defensive, pre-emptive measure against a rogue state. Saddam had WMDs and a nuclear weapons program it was planning to use on America. The US acted by declaring a War on Terror and initiating a defensive strike against the terrorist state of Iraq.

If this was not the case, the US would have broken international law and its leadership would be liable for war crimes.

As Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney have not been indicted, I think we can safely say that the US's actions were entirely above board.

Well you are only lying to yourself

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Reply #38 - Aug 19^th, 2012 at 8:00pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 1:34pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2011 at 6:30pm:

Also Abu why did you use the term propaganda? Are you suggesting that the promotion of Islam should not be entirely open and honest about Islam?

What is wrong with the truth abu are you afraid of the reaction?

If Islam is the truth as muslims claim then why do you have to resort to lies in order to promote it?

Lies? Who said anything about lies?

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Reply #40 - Aug 20^th, 2012 at 1:36pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 8:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 1:34pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2011 at 6:30pm:

Also Abu why did you use the term propaganda? Are you suggesting that the promotion of Islam should not be entirely open and honest about Islam?

What is wrong with the truth abu are you afraid of the reaction?

If Islam is the truth as muslims claim then why do you have to resort to lies in order to promote it?

Lies? Who said anything about lies?

Why would you use a word like propaganda if your intentions were totally honest?

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Reply #41 - Aug 20^th, 2012 at 1:43pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 1:36pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 8:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 1:34pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2011 at 6:30pm:

Also Abu why did you use the term propaganda? Are you suggesting that the promotion of Islam should not be entirely open and honest about Islam?

What is wrong with the truth abu are you afraid of the reaction?

If Islam is the truth as muslims claim then why do you have to resort to lies in order to promote it?

Lies? Who said anything about lies?

Why would you use a word like propaganda if your intentions were totally honest?

Propaganda doesn't imply you are lying?

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Reply #42 - Aug 20^th, 2012 at 7:49pm

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Propaganda doesn't imply you are lying?

This is a pretty good description of Abu:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

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As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda, in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus possibly lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda. Propaganda can be used as a form of political warfare.

Obviously he thinks the outcome of his propaganda is 'good', and this justifies all the little deceptions he engages in.

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Reply #43 - Aug 20^th, 2012 at 7:56pm

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 7:49pm:

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Propaganda doesn't imply you are lying?

This is a pretty good description of Abu:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

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As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda, in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus possibly lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda. Propaganda can be used as a form of political warfare.

Obviously he thinks the outcome of his propaganda is 'good', and this justifies all the little deceptions he engages in.

sounds like you and most righties

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18476 Gender:	Re: strategic promotion of political Islam Reply #44 - Sep 30^th, 2014 at 11:34pm Gandalf Can you give us your thoughts on what Abu Rashid said on the Aussie muslims forum in the op? Does Hikmah = wisdom?
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