freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 1:28pm:


Abu? Where did he go? He was here a second ago.

Here we see proof that Muslims want Sharia law for all Australians - right before our eyes.

Abu?

Don’t worry. We know what he thinks.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 7:57pm:


Not much has changed since 2011, has it, FD?  Abu seemed to have you pretty well nailed then and your posting style hasn't changed has it?   

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:51am:


Of course Abu was delusional. Abu was torn between his loyalty to a dogmatic view of Islam and a common sense approach to Australian politics and social life.

Abu was an Australian-born convert. His loyalty and his common sense took him in two different directions at once. Abu saw the rules and legal proscriptions of fundamentalist Islam as a form of salvation, but he was realistic enough to understand that they will never be applied to Australia as a nation.

What drove FD crazy was Abu’s unwillingness to simply state this. Abu was the kind of dogmatic, legalistic person who-requires all the "peace be upon hims" and ritualistic formulations. He once came down on me for a good half page for spelling Mujahadeen (sic) wrong. At the end of his tirade, he agreed with everything I had said.

Abu could be a kind of Muslim Longweekend - pedantic, tedious - but rarely repetitious or dull. Abu’s historical posts, and particularly his posts railing against Westrrn imperialism, were often spot-on.

And this got the old boy frothing.

Yadda was easy - Abu’s Moslemness was enough to get him going, but Abu usually went quite easy on Y. Given their views on Yehova/Allah are actually quite similar - i.e, literalist -  Y had to work quite hard to find points of disagreement with Abu. I recall Y being quite polite to Abu as well.

Who knows? In another life, they may well have become friends.

As you know, being a forum’s Muslim whipping boy is no easy task. You can’t make everybody happy, particularly when they’re doing their best to be as unhappy as they can. But Abu knew just what to say and do to make FD, the old boy and Y hate him with a vengence, and in turn, swear an oath against Muslims and all things Islamic for this life and beyond.

In FD’s case, it was easy - ignore him. This in itself was enough to turn the mild-mannered 2007 FD into the FD he is today. Mind you, Abu’s ignoring was not just rhetorical. As a fundamentalist, Abu couldn’t bear to state the bleeding obvious when it came to Islam. Abu believed Muhammed is God’s final prophet and Islam is in everybody’s best interests. Abu would never acknowledge that the call to Islam is not for everybody, even if he knew that in many cases (say, 98% of the Australian population), it clearly isn’t.

Abu was a zealot, and he didn’t like to acknowledge shades of grey, even if he understood them well. Abu once had a former life as a non-Muslim, and it’s interesting how converts discount their lives prior to finding Jesus, AA, Scientology, Muhammed (pbuh), etc, etc, etc. They like to describe describe their old selves as lost, but now they are found.

FD is different. He pretends the 2007 FD didn’t exist at all. But here, FD shares a lot with Abu. Ask FD one of those difficult shades-of-gray questions - particularly about his own beliefs - and if he doesn't ignore you, he'll distract with a snippy one-liner.

We all hate in others what we hate most in ourselves. We all have our own reasons for blaming Islam.

In FD's case it comes down to one person, and one person only: Abu.

Sorry, FD: Abu and Falah. You can say what you like about Malik - I've never read him.

Ban them.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:26pm:


It was a copout that turned FD into the post-2007 FD he became. FD's entire take on Islam and Muslims comes down to this copout: Abu's unwillingness to share his rigid, fundamentalist views.

Abu couldn't possibly answer all the knucklehead questions posed to him. Nor could he give a well thought out, comprehensive justification for his views time and time again. But he lacked confidence in stating that his views were essentially dictated to him, and he'd either forgotten the dictation or couldn't be bothered trying to remember - again, time and time again.

I have views that aren't my own. I accept things like reincarnation, astrology, and a few other things that don't match with a liberal, rationalist world view.

However, I realize that I can't defend these views. I realize that I might even be wrong. Many of my views are leaps of faith. I have no experience of reincarnation or psychic energy or acupuncture, and I think it's a big mistake to be dogmatic about those beliefs. I'd never try to argue my take on the existence of God, for example, because I have no actual experience, no real knowledge. All I do with those beliefs is put my trust in people who I believe have some experience of them. It's a distinct possibility that they're wrong, that the books are wrong, and so am I.

I have no interest in converting people to my point of view. If posters like Abu, Yadda and FD believe what they believe, so be it. Where it's different, I guess, and where FD is coming from, is that other people's dogma can be dangerous when they try to thrust it on everybody else.

Personally, I never saw Abu doing this. He posted what he believed, and that's all. He wasn't out to get converts.

Some posters, however, are not satisfied until they've brought you around to their point of view. The old boy gave a doozy the other day - Muslims should be perfectly free to share Australia as long as they abandon Islam.

Posters like Herbie take this to another level. They include people who "apologize" for Islam. In fact, they blame the existence of islam on the spineless apologists - you know, people who believe in freedom of religious belief.

And they should somehow be banned too, or "dealt with" in some way. I think Herbie believes they should be killed, I'm not sure. He's never too clear on what he means by being "dealt with in the fullness of time".

If you ask me, people like this are the dangerous ones. They represent a very clear threat to our culture, values and way of life. Many of them came to this country as adults. They imported their intolerance, hostility and siege mentality with them. They want Australians to conform to their own way of thinking, and not just their fellow immigrants, but their so-called apologists; those who were actually born here.

Blame Islam? But of course. Hate Muslims? Definitely.

And if it wasn't for Islam and Muslims and spineless apologists, they'd be blaming someone else. Next!

Ban them.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 4:48pm:




Ah, Lestat, aka Captain Spaulding. Now there was a stupendous  mental giant in the service of the ummah.

Karnal wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 4:40pm:



'Abu couldn't possibly answer all the knucklehead questions posed to him. Nor could he give a well thought out, comprehensive justification for his views time and time again.'


Abu wouldn't adequately answer many of the questions posed to him, AND, Abu couldn't give a well thought out coherent justification for his views, time and time again.

Abu was/is a moslem.



Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance



An example of the moslem mind, and, the cognitive dissonance that is resident there....

e.g.

"ISLAM rejects terror.       ISLAM promotes peace and harmony in society.'

AND, ISLAM....

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 8:55pm:


Hardly surprising considering the open hostility you and your compatriots show towards anybody dares to be proud of their religion.   What have I said about alienation being because you reject the second and even third generation immigrants as being too Muslim while their parents reject them as not being Muslim enough?