we'll have a look at that, and what we can do in relation of that. Because we are interested in the experience that individuals have suffered - or alleging abuse - may have faced. You know… but we are conscious of our limitations particularly now, in relation to our own limitations in terms of what we can do with that.
But…If we could get back to you in relation to that.
But, we won't able to take steps without VicPol having the carriage (sorry, when I say 'we', I mean, I'm talking about the Office of Police Integrity, not actually talking about us) having sufficient… [inaudible sentence]
Reina: Yes.
(Omb Investig 3): What I would hope… would be achieved… is possibly nothing, in relation to that past ring, even if it's still operating.
What I hope we would be able to achieve is that people would be coming to police from now on, or after what we recommend gets implemented, that whether they [victims] come from (country town X, country town Y, City Z – names of localities withheld), say, 'This is what happened to me', there is enough of a [police] database [for police] to say, 'That happened there, that happened there, who else is involved? We've actually got a picture that allows us to covertly get the evidence we need to do this.'
Maybe some of the stuff that's recently come to light in relation to the customs stuff and international and whole other stuff the likelihood is that some of those names might appear. But, it will be witnesses to the fact and the evidence that 'I was there, this is what happened'.
Reina: I think that is very good for the general Project, I think it is wonderful. It is fantastic. We are totally supportive of that, and we will do whatever we can to support it.
What we do want to see is a specific investigation into our specific complaints with outcomes.
(Omb Investig 3): Yes.
Reina: It's proved difficult to address these issues. We've tried to get Victoria Police as have others, to investigate this organized crime network, and have just been placed with brick walls.
(Omb Investig 2): Have they [Victoria Police] written back to you, or anything? Have they given you no feedback, or…
Reina: In relation to this paedophile network, they [Victoria Police], when you go through the documentation, you will see that they have tried to deceive us at every level in order not to investigate it. So we have had no satisfaction at all from Victoria Police just in relation to that. In terms of the other four investigations, the re-opened ones - they've given us limited feedback. But, then, I've been away [on a break] for six weeks.
The seriousness of the crimes that are continually being committed by that [paedophile and child pornography] network are such a degree that I would hope that the whole community and the Government would want to see it finished. Something has got to be done about, because children are [presently] continuing to be abused by that network, and they have been abused for a number of years and have not received any justice at all, and they're being allowed to continue.
(Omb Investig 3: (personal details – withheld) because I have a different view of what the justice system can achieve. It's incompatible with my personality that is of optimism. I guess we will look at the witnesses to the fact and then make a decision in relation to what course of action can come from our team.
(Omb Investig 2): We would need to prepare what we viewed from that material. We are picking up the response that you are seeking, which is a response to each one of those [the formal complaints]. And, we are not fobbing them off, by the way, we are certainly not doing that, I don't want to give you that impression.
Reina: It's too serious to fob off.
(Omb Investig 2): Well, we're certainly not doing that. We just want to be sure that we do it right. That's the process.
Reina: And, can I just say before you do, that they are worthy of proper and thorough and rigorous investigation.
(Section deleted about a specific uninvestigated murder case, due to need to protect alleged victims.) It needs to be looked at - it can't just be pushed to the side, or incorporated into a general report.
(Omb Investig 3): But, what we know about child pornography, even extensively in investigations, that the outcome it achieves the best for some people is never enough. There is never… I mean, the number of people that achieve a satisfactory justice process in criminal, going to jail, getting a sentence that gives the victims some sort of closure, is by far [inaudible].
And, I guess the sense of…what we want though in terms of our involvement in looking at what administrative inaction or inappropriate action has taken place that's a legitimate thing for us, or if you like, the [Ombudsman] Office to undertake. But, to achieve people who have abused children, being prosecuted successfully and jailed successfully with a non-traumatic, criminal justice process for those witnesses is very difficult.
And, I don't think that is going to be able to be achieved without a concerted adoption by the community as a whole, that that is totally unacceptable behaviour, there needs to be early warning, big education stuff, and adoption of some of the Law Reform Commission stuff.
I guess we're not going to paint ourselves into anything like that big a picture, we're going to nibble our way down… get the training a bit better, lets work towards something that is approached collaboratively, as a community,

http://www.news.com.au/features/adfa/threats-as-more-adf-abuses-exposed/story-fn8eum6d-1226038174227

Threats made against Defence Minister Stephen Smith as more ADF abuses exposed

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/features/adfa/threats-as-more-adf-abuses-exposed/story-fn8eum6d-1226038174227#ixzz1JL0wdH6w

DEATH threats have been made against Defence Minister Stephen Smith and a key whistleblower has been warned to "pull his head in" as military supporters launch a rearguard action against inquiries into the forces.
Federal Police have been called and will investigate whether some of the calls were made by serving Defence members.
Sources close to Mr Smith said the minister's office had received numerous threatening and abusive calls and emails.
His offices have also fielded dozens of calls and emails from people who have been damaged by their military service.
"They will be investigated," a spokesman said.
A barrister who was sexually assaulted with a broom handle and bashed by senior cadets at the Australian Defence Force Academy, including several who are now senior military officers, also received a threatening phone call on Monday evening.
The caller asked for him by name and then said he had a message for him.


"Tell him to pull his head in. He is making himself very unpopular," the caller said.
The barrister said he was not intimidated by the phone call.
He has received no contact from Defence despite a sworn statement from a witness to his assault that was received by the military in November, 2008.
Defence yesterday confirmed it had received the 12-page 2008 document obtained by The Daily Telegraph and had investigated.
Mr Smith yesterday said he was unaware of the sworn statement until he read yesterday's Daily Telegraph.
A former soldier, Oliver Thomas, from Wollongong, has come forward after he read about the barrister's treatment.
He said he was hounded out on a trumped-up charge after he complained about racism.
"The first thing I was told at Singleton army base was, 'If you get a chance to kill an African do it because it is the best feeling you will ever have'," he said.
Meanwhile, the woman who must find a way to alter the abusive culture in the military, Sex Discrimination Commissioner Elizabeth Broderick, said she had adequate powers.
She said the behaviour exposed in Defence was typical of many male-dominated sectors.
For more on the death threats made against efence Minister Stephen Smith go to The Daily Telegraph.

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