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Re: Burqua ban start on Monday
Reply #15 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 10:06am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2011 at 9:40am:
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Every country has the natural right to uphold their own standards, within reason.  To go in public with one`s identity hidden is offensive to many westerners.  France gas every right to maintain it`s own standards, if it offends a few creepy hair splitters, so be it.


So countries have natural rights, but people don't? It is only hair splitting because they are denying someone else the right to choose what to wear. If the government started telling you you cannot go in public without exposing your breasts I doubt you would consider it hair splitting.



Not a noticeably effective argument, or analogy either, for that matter. The greater imposition in this case, is the arrogant assumption on the part of the muslims that they can force France, or any other country to accept their offensive and confrontational behavior.  This indicates a piggish, offensive  attitude, on the part of the muslims, which exposes them as less than preferred immigrant material.  Oil and water never mix successfully.
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Reply #16 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 10:11am
 
You find a burqa offensive and confrontational? It is the opposite. It is submissive. If the Muslims or someone else got all offended over something you did, would that justify banning your actions? Surely it is the nature of the actions themselves, not an offense that is entirely down to interpretation that should dictate whether a person's freedom is denied? It does not actually impose on you or the French in any way for these women to be able to choose what to wear. It is a classic example of pure reactionism winning out over liberty.
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Reply #17 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 11:17am
 
A few observations -
1) The Burqua should be banned, along with other similar features.
Similar features would also include bike helmuts, ski masks & little pink polka dot bikini's, as you never know what may be hidden behind them?

2) Seriously, there is a security case that could be mounted in some places and that should be observed!

There is also a case that could be mounted, that Burqua's are not so much a matter of Religion, as they are a matter of the exercise of power between the sexes.

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Reply #18 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 5:01pm
 
if you an employer .. would you hire someone with Ninja uniform to work for you ?? .. so they kept on relying on welfare .. the point is if they cut all their welfare .. they are entitle to wear anythings they wanted ..
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Reply #19 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 5:53pm
 
That is an interesting idea.
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Reply #20 - Apr 11th, 2011 at 10:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2011 at 8:55am:
darkhall67 wrote on Apr 9th, 2011 at 8:53pm:
Jaykaye_09 wrote on Apr 9th, 2011 at 4:56pm:
cods wrote on Apr 9th, 2011 at 1:55pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2011 at 1:43pm:
Bad idea. The French have turned liberty on its head.


oh crap so if you had a small shop and they all came in with faces covered you wouldnt mind...yeah right.

if its good enough for a motorbike riders.. or even a skier..then its good enough for them. its got nothing to do with freedom or liberty.its commonsense


Yeah, those burqa clad thieves are growing in numbers.

Besides, why not make a standard policy that encompasses all face coverings, including but not limited to burqas? Alternatively, why not give shop owners, business etc. the right to decide these measures within their own stores, rather than a standard application across all public areas?




You know jaye that you and I share many values and opinions across a broad array of topics

BUT


I find myself in agreement with the French ban

and here's why;


If an african man walked down the street with a ball and chain around his leg and claimed

"I choose to wear this ball and chain. My master wants me to wear it and I am in total agreement with him. You are taking away MY rights to wear this ball and chain by banning it.

I WANT to wear this ball and chain.

I CHOOSE to wear this ball and chain.

I feel safest when i wear this ball and chain.

Who are YOU to deny me my right to wear this ball and chain?


it's MY choice to wear this ball and chain.  "


How should we react to this "opinion".  This "right"?





I'm looking forward to your reply because if  anyone could come up with one that  could possible convince me it's you.




So long as it is his genuine choice and he is not holding up traffic, it is his right. You make it a bit ambiguous by throwing in the term master. Our society gives him the right to walk away, gives people the right to encourage him to walk away, imposes myriad legal requirements on whoever his master might be, but it does not compell him to do anything.




I didnt think there was anything ambiguous , controversial or debateable in that "master" comment.

Of course that's an apt analogy of what's going on in households where the burka is de rigueur .




And there is such a thing as battered wife syndrome , or stockholm syndrome where "walking away" isnt an option .

there is  no defence against the indefensible.
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Reply #21 - Apr 12th, 2011 at 12:23am
 
NED KELLY LOVES WOMEN IN BURQUAS Grin
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Reply #22 - Apr 12th, 2011 at 6:41am
 
Two women wearing burqas have been arrested by French police just hours after the Republic became the first country in the world to enact laws banning wearing the Islamic veil in public.

The women, part of a small group protesting against the new law in front of Notre Dame Cathedral in central Paris, could face fines of €150 and be forced to attend 'citizenship lessons' - although it now appears likely they will be cautioned because the demonstration was not authorised.

The French ban on face veils began yesterday and is the result of months of heated public debate and parliamentary argument, sparked by President Nicolas Sarkozy, last year.


His centre-right UMP government introduced the law as part of a targeted populist strategy aimed at quelling increasing public unrest about rising unemployment, widespread austerity measures and immigration.

Mr Sarkozy also made a call for a wider public debate on the role of Islam in French society, sparking accusations of political cynicism as he battles falling popularity, an increasingly successful far-right leader, Marine Le Pen and a presidential race in less than a year.

The ban on the face veil in France is also seen to be politically motivated as an estimated 2000 women – of a population of five million Muslims – wear the veil.

French police, who fear a campaign of provocation, have been issued a nine-page memorandum detailing how women can be detained, where they can be asked to remove the veil for identification and exactly what article of clothing is identified as the veil.

Belgium has also passed a law banning the veil but is yet to enforce it, while other European countries are considering similar rules, including Switzerland and the Netherlands.

Police in France have made it clear that they fear the outbreak of rioting in some areas if the law is enforced, such as in socially distressed areas such as Trappes - but equally if they move against veiled Saudi women shopping on the Champs Elysees.
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Reply #23 - Apr 12th, 2011 at 8:15am
 

deport them
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Reply #24 - Apr 12th, 2011 at 9:21am
 
Vive la France!

Those cheese eating surrender monkeys deserve their own nation. Even when they are pissed off at you, it just sounds like they want some rough sex.

If there ever was a mismatch, it's muslims and the French.
The French live to make life beautiful, ..muslims live to make the world ugly.

The French have had their heads in the sky (quite a lot, as per usual) in thinking that the muslims will come around to their way of thinking. But of course that ain't gonna happen.
We're gonna have to rescue them for what is something meaningful to ourselves yet again.
..And that's OK, ..as long as they stay beautiful.  Smiley






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Reply #25 - Apr 12th, 2011 at 11:17am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 12th, 2011 at 8:15am:

deport them




Give them [these burqa wearing women] 100 lashes [or caning] on their bare buttocks - in public.

10 lashes on the first Tuesday of every month, and imprisonment, until the full hundred lashes have been 'paid'.

Any volunteers for the position of public lash master ????     Roll Eyes



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Reply #26 - Apr 12th, 2011 at 11:33am
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 12th, 2011 at 11:17am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 12th, 2011 at 8:15am:

deport them




Give them [these burqa wearing women] 100 lashes [or caning] on their bare buttocks - in public.

10 lashes on the first Tuesday of every month, and imprisonment, until the full hundred lashes have been 'paid'.

Any volunteers for the position of public lash master ????     Roll Eyes






OK, OK, just give them 10 strokes of the cane, on their bare buttocks - in public.

Can you see how moderate i am.




And before all of you lefty 'liberals' complain, consider this....

In many Sharia jurisdictions women who go 'uncovered' in public are taken into custody, imprisoned and raped in prison, for their 'crime'.


Google;
iran rape in prison



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Reply #27 - Apr 12th, 2011 at 11:51am
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 12th, 2011 at 12:23am:
NED KELLY LOVES WOMEN IN BURQUAS Grin



Yes, Ned has already done this one, and I bet he still wished he covered his legs up at the time.
Perhaps it was Ned that started this whole sack business which spread around the world.
Either way, the black sack has no place in Western society.
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Reply #28 - Apr 12th, 2011 at 12:21pm
 
Viva le France. Islam is a failed religion of crackpots who have wrecked their own countries and are now trying to wreck ours. If they don't like democracy bugger off back to where they came from.
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Reply #29 - Apr 12th, 2011 at 1:07pm
 
Amadd wrote on Apr 12th, 2011 at 9:21am:
Vive la France!

Those cheese eating surrender monkeys deserve their own nation. Even when they are pissed off at you, it just sounds like they want some rough sex.

If there ever was a mismatch, it's muslims and the French.
The French live to make life beautiful, ..muslims live to make the world ugly.


Exactly. This is why the French colonised much of Northern Africa: to bring them boulevards, colonial architecture and French cuisine.
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