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Reply #45 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 9:22pm

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 9:13pm:

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You challenged my use of the term "master" in one of my previous posts but do you know that there were some slaves who DIDNT want to be freed in the US?

It was all they knew. They believed the nonsense justifications that the ruling white MASTERS gave them concerning their slavery and the white mans dominion over them.

Of course I know that. You are completely missing the point. Did you even read my response? I am not the one arguing for slavery. You are the one trying to take away people's fundamental rights. You are the one trying to discount what these women choose for themselves.

What if I want to maintain my own right to cover my face in public?

Like so many things in this world it depends on the situation.

If you are crossing the great sandy desert and a sandstorm blows up , by all means cover your face.

If you are snowboarding in Falls Creek , by all means cover your face.

If you are walking down the high street , covering your face because some alien culture/religion says that you mustnt stir up the lusts of the native female population then NO.

uncover your face.

And let your children see you walking down the street with an uncovered face so they wont be sucked in to the same destructive world view

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Reply #46 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 9:23pm

OK then what is more important than a woman being able to choose for herself what to wear?

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If you are walking down the high street , covering your face because some alien culture/religion says that you mustnt stir up the lusts of the native female population then NO.

That is not what I said darkhall. Read it again. What if I want to maintain my own right to cover my face in public?

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Reply #47 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 9:30pm

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 9:23pm:

OK then what is more important than a woman being able to choose for herself what to wear?

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If you are walking down the high street , covering your face because some alien culture/religion says that you mustnt stir up the lusts of the native female population then NO.

That is not what I said darkhall. Read it again. What if I want to maintain my own right to cover my face in public?

I know what you said.

And so I repeat;

what are the reasons for you covering your face in public?

A philosophy that tells you that you are a lesser human being?

Or a sandstorm.i

And while it is perfectly natural for some people to feel like lesser human beings , that sort of mindset is not something that society should tolerate or sanction or contribute to.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48874 At my desk.	Re: Burqua ban start on Monday Reply #48 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:03pm Quote: what are the reasons for you covering your face in public? To protect my right to choose for myself what to wear. Now, what do you say? Would you deny me the right to choose for myself what to wear?
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Reply #49 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:07pm

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:03pm:

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what are the reasons for you covering your face in public?

To protect my right to choose for myself what to wear.

Now, what do you say? Would you deny me the right to choose for myself what to wear?

No. But would you deny my right to refuse service to you, to deny access to you, to ridicule and mock you because I can't see your face?

Or are you going to mobilise your cousins and brovvers to go on a rampage and kill a few people so the rest will be intimidated into silence?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103841 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Burqua ban start on Monday Reply #50 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:14pm Just watched the French news France 2, 20 heures. They played down the new law. They didn't mention any protests.
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Reply #51 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:19pm

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:03pm:

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what are the reasons for you covering your face in public?

To protect my right to choose for myself what to wear.

Now, what do you say? Would you deny me the right to choose for myself what to wear?

Not in the privacy of your own home.

If I had my way I would walk naked down the street.

However I'm not allowed to.

That's probably a good thing for all concerned.

I'm not allowed to wear an SS uniform.

Or a KKK hood in PUBLIC.

At home I'm free to wear whatever I damn well choose.

Good luck to all those women who "choose" to wear a burka in the privacy of their own homes.

If anyone attempts to make a law against you wearing whatever you damn well like in your own home i will be the first to paint a few signs and go on a protest march in support and solidarity with you.

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Reply #52 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:23pm

I AGREE with WA Minister for Women's Interests Robyn McSweeney that the burka should be banned, because it is a thinly veiled insult to the freedoms we enjoy in our Western culture As an ex-Muslim I know that women are reared in a segregated society where they are not allowed to develop the normal friendships with other young people as we do in the West and young males grow up never having learned how to develop normal male-to-female controls that are taken for granted in the West.

The wearing of the burka says that Western males are just as deficient in sexual control as are the primitive Arabs of the desert and that therefore women must still be covered up even in civilised Western towns and cities.

What we are dealing with here is not a healthy appreciation of the gifts given to us by the Almighty, but a pinched up distortion of reality and how the world should be according to a succession of oppressive, demented madmen.

Shereen Zailanee, Coolbellup, WA
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/burka-an-insult-to-all/story-fn558i...

She gets it. It is an insult. I reserve my right to treat public face covering as an insult.

Now, should I go along an let them insult me, or should they go along and avoid insulting me?
Whose freedoms trump the other's?

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Reply #53 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:26pm

Soren wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:23pm:

I AGREE with WA Minister for Women's Interests Robyn McSweeney that the burka should be banned, because it is a thinly veiled insult to the freedoms we enjoy in our Western culture As an ex-Muslim I know that women are reared in a segregated society where they are not allowed to develop the normal friendships with other young people as we do in the West and young males grow up never having learned how to develop normal male-to-female controls that are taken for granted in the West.

The wearing of the burka says that Western males are just as deficient in sexual control as are the primitive Arabs of the desert and that therefore women must still be covered up even in civilised Western towns and cities.

What we are dealing with here is not a healthy appreciation of the gifts given to us by the Almighty, but a pinched up distortion of reality and how the world should be according to a succession of oppressive, demented madmen.

Shereen Zailanee, Coolbellup, WA
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/burka-an-insult-to-all/story-fn558i...

She gets it. It is an insult. I reserve my right to treat public face covering as an insult.

Now, should I go along an let them insult me, or should they go along and avoid insulting me?
Whose freedoms trump the other's?

Probably the first time in my life I have agreed with a soren post.

Mars must be in retrograde or something.

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Reply #54 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:40pm

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 9:13pm:

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You challenged my use of the term "master" in one of my previous posts but do you know that there were some slaves who DIDNT want to be freed in the US?

It was all they knew. They believed the nonsense justifications that the ruling white MASTERS gave them concerning their slavery and the white mans dominion over them.

Of course I know that. You are completely missing the point. Did you even read my response? I am not the one arguing for slavery. You are the one trying to take away people's fundamental rights. You are the one trying to discount what these women choose for themselves.

What if I want to maintain my own right to cover my face in public?

Well FD, these things happen!

Whilst we have Rights, we also have Responsibilities and Democracy or not, there are always trade-offs in any human society of 2 or more.

I would like to see you try to walk into some places, such as a Bank or an Army base, with your face covered, say with a ski mask, a biker helmut, a burqua or something similar.

I suspect, you may find there are limits to your "fundamental rights".

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Reply #55 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:58pm

darkhall67 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:26pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:23pm:

I AGREE with WA Minister for Women's Interests Robyn McSweeney that the burka should be banned, because it is a thinly veiled insult to the freedoms we enjoy in our Western culture As an ex-Muslim I know that women are reared in a segregated society where they are not allowed to develop the normal friendships with other young people as we do in the West and young males grow up never having learned how to develop normal male-to-female controls that are taken for granted in the West.

The wearing of the burka says that Western males are just as deficient in sexual control as are the primitive Arabs of the desert and that therefore women must still be covered up even in civilised Western towns and cities.

What we are dealing with here is not a healthy appreciation of the gifts given to us by the Almighty, but a pinched up distortion of reality and how the world should be according to a succession of oppressive, demented madmen.

Shereen Zailanee, Coolbellup, WA
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/burka-an-insult-to-all/story-fn558i...

She gets it. It is an insult. I reserve my right to treat public face covering as an insult.

Now, should I go along an let them insult me, or should they go along and avoid insulting me?
Whose freedoms trump the other's?

Probably the first time in my life I have agreed with a soren post.

Mars must be in retrograde or something.

No. It means you are coming out of the coma.
Hallelujah!!

Wink

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Reply #56 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 11:04pm

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:03pm:

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what are the reasons for you covering your face in public?

To protect my right to choose for myself what to wear.

Now, what do you say? Would you deny me the right to choose for myself what to wear?

FD, you have zero chance of being allowed to go around undisturbed if you cover your face. Zero, that is, unless you somhow also signal that you are a Muslim.

Muslims have not earned the right to be exempt and treated preferentially. Intimidation and threats are not the same as rights earned.

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Foolosophy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1171 Australia Gender:	Re: Burqua ban start on Monday Reply #57 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 11:13pm SOREN - BEHOLD THE CHILDREN THAT YOU DETEST
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Reply #58 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 11:21pm

darkhall67 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 10:26pm:

Probably the first time in my life I have agreed with a soren post.
Mars must be in retrograde or something.

Know the feeling Wink

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/30/afghanistan-women-feminists-burqa

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/11/afghanistan-non-burqa-wearing-school-girls-spr...

One day almost all Muslim women in Afghanistan wore western style clothing, the next, under the new Taliban regime, they were FORCED to wear the Burqa. Maybe we could make a collection of such 'clothing choices'.

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darkhall67 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1935	Re: Burqua ban start on Monday Reply #59 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 12:07am Foolosophy wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 11:13pm: SOREN - BEHOLD THE CHILDREN THAT YOU DETEST http://www.helendiamantopoulo.com/media/home%20slide%20show/Muslim%20children.jp... That's funny. I can see their smiling faces clearly. That's great. Wouldnt happen if they had to wear the burka.
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